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Showing posts with label Jim Lampley. Show all posts
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Sunday, June 7, 2015

Tim Bradley Gets Comfort Food In Corner Against Chaves: Quote Spotlight



Jim Lampley, HBO commentator, at the beginning of the twelfth round between Tim Bradley and Diego Chaves:

"I've seen a lot of implements used to treat swelling in the corner. I don't know if I've seen the bean dip can before. But, Joel Diaz, extremely respected trainer, using that bean dip can. Maybe next week we'll see a lot of fighters with them. "

This fight is currently available on HBO's site, for subscribers. It was a scrappy affair that disfigured Tim Bradley's face and probably led to an unjust draw where he should've taken a victory. Trying to find a still from the corner with the bean dip can proved interesting, because the only other upload of the full match, broadcasted in a language I could not identify, edited the footage so that there was a plain, blue lid with no label on the can. Tim Bradley, a worker if ever there was one, works hard in fights you might think he wouldn't and did so in the Chaves match, in December of 2014. He'll be back for the first time this year at the end of this month. I suspect it's going to be another night of hard work. That's the way Timbo likes it. Physical and difficult, necessary or not. 


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Sunday, May 24, 2015

Freddie Roach On Working With Israel Vazquez: Quote Spotlight




In December of 2005, the HBO crew called Israel Vazquez VS Oscar Larios III. During the broadcast, commentator Jim Lampley dropped a great quote from Vazquez's trainer at the time.

"How's this for a quote from Freddie Roach-and we've seen him with so many great fighters, including, of course, Manny Pacquiao-Roach says of Israel Vazquez: 

'He's the greatest champion I've ever worked with. Nobody comes to the gym with a better attitude. Nobody works harder and more honestly. I've never known a nicer boxer.' "

Magnifico made one heck of an impression. On all of us. Trainers, opponents, and fans.


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Wednesday, May 20, 2015

Alex Wallau On Young Mike Tyson & His Era: Quote Spotlight



In the pre-fight discussion of Mike Tyson VS Quick Tillis, on ABC's Wide World of Sports, Jim Lampley and Alex Wallau talked about Iron Mike's future. It was the third of May, 1986, and Mike would be extended ten rounds for the very first time. At this point, his career was moving so fast it was almost impossible not to appreciate the momentum and sense destiny unfolding, as Lampley reminded us that instead of being compared to other prospects in the division, or even contenders, Mike was being compared instead to Frazier and Marciano. Jim and Alex had the following exchange, so typical throughout the majority of the heavyweight division's history when summing up an era, as a whole:

Jim Lampley, about Tyson's fast rise as a prospect: "Is he being rushed to stardom?"

Alex Wallau, as the expert analyst for ABC: "Well, I think it's difficult, Jim, to be sure about the ability of a nineteen-year-old fighter who's never met a world class opponent. But, in my opinion, Mike Tyson will be ready to fight for, and win the heavyweight championship of the world, by the end of this year. That may be more of a comment on the lack of talent in the heavyweight division than on Mike's ability."

The more things change, the more they stay the same. There's nearly always a perceived lack of talent in the division until people have to remember it as history, at which point it becomes significantly better and more easy to appreciate than whatever is going on in the present. It's always people wandering around, going "Look at all these interesting trees. I wonder where the forest is. Hey, there's a nice one. That could be part of a forest, one day."

Mike, having turned professional in 1985, would astoundingly win a major heavyweight title (first of many) by the end 1986, just as Wallau suspected. In addition to doing it as quickly as anyone, he would do it about as easily as anyone ever did. And he would clean out the division about as dominantly and quickly as anyone ever did, as well. But I don't think it was for lack of talent in the era. Rather, I think it was for a surplus of talent within Tyson. It's easy enough to confuse the two concepts when you're looking at them in real time. 


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This pre-fight spot on ABC has a current upload on Youtube here: 



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Friday, May 1, 2015

Jim Lampley Predicts Wide Points Decision of Mayweather Over Pacquiao: Quote Spotlight



When asked on an ESNEWS interview, published today, about his pick for Mayweather VS Pacquiao, Jim Lampley gave what some seem to think is a highly surprising answer, considering the personal opinion he's displayed for Floyd Mayweather Junior in the past. Although, I can't ever remember Jim Lampley putting down Mayweather's professional abilities, so I can't say I'm particularly surprised by the comment, caught outside his HBO broadcasting habitat, where he isn't obligated to promote the intrigue of these contests. 

"It's a Floyd Mayweather fight, right? . . . I love Manny Pacquiao. . . Floyd Mayweather fights a hundred opponents, in a hundred different arenas, that's a hundred times I pick Floyd Mayweather to win by unanimous decision. Okay? It's about control. It's about absence of risk. It's about gradually erasing the other guy. It's about taking all the air out of the balloon, so that the crowd walks away saying 'What was that?' And it's a Floyd Mayweather unanimous decision. He'll win nine or ten rounds." 

So, regardless of a the common perception of Jim Lampley's bias for Manny Pacquiao and against Floyd Mayweather Junior, he apparently has no problem saying, when out of the confines of his channel, that he flatly assumes Floyd Mayweather will decisively outbox Manny Pacquiao. The context for a domination call isn't just that it's one star fighter over another, but that it's in a fight being advertised as one of the most intriguing and important megafights that modern boxing has had to offer in about a decade, if not several. That, my friends, is the fight game. That is the business.

Full interview here:



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Tuesday, January 27, 2015

Gatti Jumping For Goodman: GIF Spotlight




Arturo Gatti, gladiator extraordinaire, in usual good humour about hard losses, shows he's fine to Doctor Margaret Goodman, after his stoppage loss to Oscar De La Hoya, the twenty-fourth of March, 2001, on HBO. 

Jim Lampley, a moment later: "And Gatti smiles through the pain, as always."




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Monday, January 19, 2015

Prince Naseem Hamed's Shadow Dancing Entrance: GIF Spotlight



With his opponent, Kevin "Flushing Flash" Kelley in the ring and increasingly more aggravated, Prince Naseem Hamed dances on behind the curtain in a very long grand entrance for the ages on HBO. There was plenty of time for awkward conversation between commentators Jim Lampley, George Foreman and Larry Merchant. A few times, Lampley noted the exact time the entrance had gone on.



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Wednesday, July 16, 2014

The Great Exchange On "Foul Acting" - Quote Spotlight With George Foreman & Jim Lampley




During Miguel Cotto's TERRIFIC HBO war with Ricardo Torres, way back in his light welterweight days, the 24th of September, 2005, there was a great exchange. It was about the concept of faking a foul and/or over-exaggerating its effects. This concept is obviously one that generates plenty of discussion in many sports. The exchange occurred right after the unofficial HBO scorer, Harold Lederman, voiced his displeasure at what he perceived to be faked low blows landed on Ricardo Torres and is one of those priceless George Foreman sticking points as a commentator. Here it is:


Jim Lampley: And, I am told that our interpreter, Jerry Olaya, heard the people in Torres' corner, between rounds, telling their fighter "If he hits you low again, go down, and make an act out of it. Try to get a point deduction." Which makes sense, incidentally.

George Foreman: It only makes sense if you don't have a lot of dignity.



Jim Lampley after a few moments of calling the action between them: Yeah, you're right, George. I agree. It makes a certain competitive sense but not honourable sense.

George Foreman: Nah. This is all about honour, what it all boils down to. Win, lose or draw. . .Get some honour into it.



George Foreman always kept commentating interesting, in my opinion. You didn't have to agree with him, and Jim Lampley didn't have to get along particularly well with him, but he was always a character to behold.



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Sunday, July 6, 2014

The Cringeworthy Commentating Exchange Following Lamon Brewster TKO5 Wladimir Klitschko: Quote Spotlight





From the tenth of April, 2004, quite an exchange from HBO's commentating team at the time, let alone in retrospect:

Larry Merchant: A combination of fatigue, and now, we have to say it, a weak chin, for a heavyweight.

Jim Lampley: Very.

Larry Merchant: You know, we've had some heavyweights, a lot of heavyweights, with great chins, a few of them with good chins, but you can't fight in this weight class, unless you have at least a good chin.

Jim Lampley: Wladimir's chin makes Lennox Lewis' look like granite. I didn't think I'd ever see that.

Roy Jones Junior: It's not so much of his chin as it is his heart though. He's like a dog that can't fight from the bottom.

Jim Lampley: This is a guy who won an Olympic Super Heavyweight Gold Medal. Who was as good as any amateur boxer in the world. Who rose rapidly in the pros. Did he succeed too much too soon to have heart?

Roy Jones Junior: Nope, he did not. He just never had it. It's just that he was so big you never got a chance to see him fight from the down side.

Jim Lampley: Do you think his older brother Vitali has a markedly different personality?

Roy Jones Junior: He has to now, to uphold the family image, or else he'll be disgraced.






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Sunday, May 18, 2014

Jim Lampley Quotes Page: The Notables Chosen By Basement Gym Boxing


Jim Lampley has been the voice of HBO boxing for many years and has also covered over a dozen Olympic games and currently hosts The Fight Game on HBO as well. An emotional voice in boxing who has brought home the drama for fans in both triumphant and sad outcomes. Here are our selected quotes:


2015: 

May: 

On HBO's The Fight Game with Jim Lampley, he ran an odd "anti-Gatti list" segment, and remarked on Miguel Vazquez:

"Miguel Vazquez: You've heard of track meets? Vazquez is an unabashed runner. Makes you wonder if the Mexican birth certificate is counterfeit."


When asked on an ESNEWS interview about his pick for Mayweather VS Pacquiao:

"It's a Floyd Mayweather fight, right? . . . I love Manny Pacquiao. . . Floyd Mayweather fights a hundred opponents, in a hundred different arenas, that's a hundred times I pick Floyd Mayweather to win by unanimous decision. Okay? It's about control. It's about absence of risk. It's about gradually erasing the other guy. It's about taking all the air out of the balloon, so that the crowd walks away saying 'What was that?' And it's a Floyd Mayweather unanimous decision. He'll win nine or ten rounds."   
(Video released on May 1st)

During the broadcast of Vyacheslav Glazkov VS Steve Cunningham, between rounds 8 and 9, while HBO cuts to a shot of Roy Jones Junior working with Jean Pascal for his match with Sergey Kovalev:

"Roy's a hard worker at everything he does."




2013:
  
On Manny Pacquiao, during the Pacquiao VS Rios broadcast:

"I think Pacquiao is enjoying looking at Rios's swollen, bloodied face."

(Roy Jones Junior replied "He is.")

2014:

Featured on HBO's Road to Marquez/Alvarado, during a segment about Mike Alvarado retiring on his stool after taking tremendous punishment from Ruslan Provodnikov:

"That, to me, is one of the most baseless canards in all of boxing. The notion that because you retire you're a quitter? That's ridiculous."


During the Viktor Postol VS Selcuk Aydin broadcast, about Michael Buffer:

"There's Michael-one of the friendliest, nicest, most generous friends you could ever have, Michael Buffer."


During the Demetrius Andrade VS Brian Rose broadcast, about Andrade:


"He also seems to have that Gumby-like elasticity that you see from a lot of really gifted athletes."

During Orlando Salido VS Vasyl Lomachenko:

"Well, I hate to say it, but I think Laurence Cole has done his normal dreadful job. He's just a dreadful referee. Unfortunately, and that's one of the black eyes on the state of Texas. It happens over and over and over."


On Gennady Golovkin, in HBO's Road To Golovkin/Geale:

"He is the subject of the most Paul Bunyanesque stories, relative to his trade, what he does in sparring, in camp... You want to believe that the myth is bigger than reality, and then, on the occasions when I've seen him, reality was pretty much every bit as big as the myth."

2005:

During Floyd Mayweather's walk to the ring, on the broadcast for his match with Sharmba Mitchell:

"Now, here comes the man who is probably the most gifted athletic specimen in the sport at this very moment, Floyd Mayweather Junior."

"Yeah, if his market power ever catches up to his talent, that will be a cosmic force in the sport."

During the Sharmba Mitchell match, in round one:

"Floyd Mayweather, over the course of the past two years, has gradually and steadily increased the power on his straight right hand-most devastating punch. He's gone from being a knockout possibility to, in many instances, a knockout puncher."


More quotes will be added, comment if you think you've spotted a correction, please.


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Wednesday, May 14, 2014

Timothy Bradley Fights "Stupid" For Reason X: Unwarranted Criticism?




Dismissive Notions:

There is a notion. It has been floating around the world of boxing. I'm not sure how or when it started, but if I had the type of fire I thought would kill it, I'd be using it right now. Instead, I've got some web space to see if I can do even the slightest bit of damage to the notion I've seen in full bloom recently. It pertains to Timothy Bradley, one of America's best and least credited athletes, the way I see him. Tim Bradley is someone that I have been rating highly to others for years as an under-appreciated fighter. First as a top notch titlist among very many titlists, then as a top pound-for-pound talent among few contemporaries. There's a way some fans have of introducing backhanded compliments about some of the top names of our sport. A way of finding a little dig while thinly veiling their disapproval of the fighter or the perception of them being overrated. It's not usually crafty stuff and it's often unwarranted. Examples abound, for instance:

"Floyd Mayweather is a great talent. I just wish he wouldn't avoid the fights to prove it."
"Timothy Bradley has a lot of heart and good skills but he fights stupid."
"Manny Pacquiao is a great athlete. He's just not a technically skilled boxer."
"Andre Ward is a great boxer but he has an obligation to move up in weight and seek real challenges."
"Wladimir Klitschko is the best out there...of a really bad bunch..."


It goes on and on and on. Not one of those comments have I not heard spoken or seen typed. And many times at that, in one wording or another. Not one of those comments do I put any stock in either. At least not the backhanded parts. They're almost ironically oblivious in their dismissal of what it means to be one of the best athletes in a major international sport. Often the criticisms make virtually no sense to me and often they stand up to no critical thinking that I put to them. But I see one or two of these lines perhaps every day, as I regularly check in to read the feedback of boxing fans on all headlines great and small that I can find. I'm not exaggerating. There really isn't a day I don't see something like this that makes me roll my eyes, whether it's at Boxing Scene's forum or the comments section of Richard Dwyer's videos on YouTube (both Dwyer's YouTube Channel and Boxing Scene's site are regular and recommended stops for me).
 

My Notion & Motive:

I consider myself a fan of the sport over that of Timothy Bradley. I like a lot about him but I won't be defending Tim Bradley's boxing brain because I'm a fan of his, only as a fan of boxing. Listen, Tim Bradley has made millions of dollars from boxing and is a grown man. I'm not worried about random fans, commentators, and whoever else not giving him his dues because I'm worried about his feelings. I don't want anyone I like to feel badly, granted, but that is not my reason for this post. It's about the notion that I have that whether you like a fighter on a personal level or like to watch that fighter's fights, it's irrelevant in that the sport always benefits from understanding what a fighter does to get to the top ranks of the sport. That's an appreciation of the sport of boxing. That's a goal of true fans. Not fans of certain fighters, but of the whole sport over any one fighter. That's what I see in the true boxing fans, the desire to understand the sport on a deep level and appreciate the best that it has to offer of its participants.

Contrarily, missing the point of why a guy is successful, and thoroughly minimising what he does to get himself that success and how good he is- that is damaging to the sport. That's disrespectful to boxing and I feel it should be fought whether I'm a fan of the fighter suffering from the minimization or not. The types of backhanded compliments I listed can only oppose the understanding and appreciation of the sport itself-because these are among its top practitioners. So, my bottom line reason for giving my opinion on what I feel is growing unfair misconception of Tim Bradley isn't for Bradley's sake. It's from my own notion that the health of the sport is largely built on appreciation for rating a fighter's abilities, both mental and physical, as accurately as possible. I feel with Tim Bradley, there's been a selling of a storyline that essentially gives a backhanded compliment to his heart and athleticism while actually denigrating his intellect.
 








Addressing the case against Bradley's ring IQ:


Section 1/3: Pacquiao I


By the time Tim had unified major world titles twice at Light Welterweight, and decisively defeated three undefeated fighters in a row, in two weight classes, I was telling people that he was highly under-appreciated for being one of the best in the world. At this point, though I found performances like the Lamont Peterson fight to be aesthetically pleasing, he had some almost apologising for him after the Alexander fight. There were a lot of statements about "Well, he's not pretty but he's effective." or "He's not outstanding at any one thing, but he's so well-rounded..."

When we got Tim Bradley in the Pacquiao fight, I, like almost everyone who watched (a few respectable voices to the contrary existing though) had Pacquiao winning the match by at least a few points. I was so used to Bradley finding a way to win, was so used to people, in fact, talking up that he adjusted his style so that he would find a way to win, that I was surprised by certain adjustments I didn't see being made. I thought Bradley's big overhand rights would be converted to straighter punches, getting through the guard more often, be deflected less by Pacquiao's guard, working on a supposed weakness that had been exploited quite successfully by Juan Manuel Marquez. It didn't happen. Operating at the high levels of the sport, against one of its more unorthodox stars, a southpaw with blazing hand speed and every offensive angle being used, Bradley missed the mark more than I thought. Big deal.

He fought the far-and-away best fighter he'd met as a professional and didn't figure him out, but as offensively gifted as that fighter was, Bradley still nullified plenty of his shots as well. He still found a way to turn it on when his senior star was taking his foot off the gas, even while hurt, he didn't just survive. And he managed to be one of only two fighters that have fought Pacquiao in years and years that didn't manage to either be badly beaten down while trying to be competitive or soundly outworked throughout while trying to survive, in a defensive prison. How many times did Manny Pacquiao make a man look like he'd been thrown down a mountainside and trampled by wild horses or, to prevent that punishment, shell up or run away?

So, this is the first piece of evidence against Tim Bradley's ring IQ? Because this is when I noticed the talk of Bradley adjusting and adapting turning the opposite, even under highly difficult circumstances. If this is the only evidence, it's not just weak, but pathetic. We can all see on tape where Bradley likely injured himself. I certainly have no reason to doubt injury, but he didn't get stuck in a defensive shell, and he didn't get a disfigured face and he did win rounds. How is performing better against Manny Pacquiao than everyone but Juan Manuel Marquez in so many years and so many weight classes any kind of a case against Tim Bradley's ring IQ? It's not. Plain and simple.

However, enter Ruslan Provodnikov. A fighter many labeled "ESPN Level" and meant in an unfairly derogatory fashion. A fighter who most thought Tim Bradley would soundly outbox. This is where opinion comes in harder with speculation, and this is where the Bradley "stupid fighting" theory really heated up and I really start to question how I'm seeing it so differently than what most seem to see. Before Provodnikov, Bradley was just being rated highly enough to develop some animosity and those trying to sell the idea that Bradley was not a top shelf fighting man. Some because they didn't like Pacquiao and wanted to downplay what's been known as an unofficial victory over Bradley to the majority. Some because they loved Pacquiao and held Bradley's official victory against him. But still, here it's just started making me take notice in a big way.


Section 2/3: Why did this Siberian Rocky have Bradley in a war?

My questions regarding how this match played out:

A. Did Provodnikov improve so much from where he was regarded leading up to the Bradley fight that he became a top shelf 140-147 fighter capable of doing so much damage to an elite fighter like Tim Bradley? 

B. Did Bradley get concussed early and somehow manage to wage a FOTY candidate while concussed (most of that time?) against a powerful brawler?

C. Did Bradley match up poorly with Provodnikov's style, rather than suffer from a lack of discipline in applying a game plan where he really could have "easily" out-boxed him, and never been damaged? In other words, was "fighting stupid" a credible accusation and explanation for this unexpected war?

D. Did Bradley abandon something similar to what he later did with Marquez, something that he would also be capable of doing with Provodnikov in order to "prove himself" as a fan-friendly warrior out of insecurity he felt during the Pacquiao backlash, as well as some grumbling about the entertainment value of a few of his other previous fights?



A: I say, it was a little bit of A, that Provodnikov had improved his fighting style under Roach and probably gained valuable experience against Herrera (who I thought he beat), and that the Alvarado fight should at least help strengthen that position that he either improved that significantly, or perhaps he was just better than assumed from the beginning and we hadn't appreciated his level of dangerousness in this era.

B: I say with admittedly little medical knowledge that, as a layperson, I must seriously consider B that Tim Bradley really did fight while concussed in a way that should earn the respect of all boxing fans, for the rest of his life. And, I think if the exact same action took place and there were no concussion, you could say the same, that he still earned lifelong respect for the fight. But, in assuming early concussion, I don't think there was brawling for the sake of pride or entertainment but fighting on instinct while very seriously injured and probably unable to think as clearly as he ordinarily would.

C: I say that C is a genuine question mark. There are many fighters, even truly great ones likes Evander Holyfield that get accused of fighting "down" to their lesser opponents during their career. I'm not sure I'd call Tim Bradley a truly great (historically speaking) fighter, nor am I sure even if Provodnikov's level is really "down" from where Bradley is, regardless of a large difference in accomplishments. It's up in the air to me and I've underestimated this Siberian fellow before. I do suggest that Provodnikov's pressure-fighting style may be the key to the trouble Bradley suffered. I wouldn't call Pacquiao a conventional pressure fighter, if any kind, and Marquez certainly isn't. Peterson flips on and off but he's never shown pressure fighting ability on a Provodnikov level to me, and so on. I do wonder if Bradley, for all the intelligence I attribute to him, would not always have trouble with a Provodnikov, who isn't really much like anyone else Tim has faced. I don't believe we have another frame of reference that would be telling in Bradley's career.

D: I say that D, even if Bradley and camp have supported the idea, I can't say I saw it like this the five or six times that I watched this modern classic. I've seen fighters resort to this idea that they made fights harder on themselves than they had to so many times and there are some times when I can buy it. But probably more times I think they were forced into fights that didn't suit them by their opponent, not their own ego. I think this is one of those times. I think Tim Bradley fought Ruslan Provodnikov, not the same way through the fight, but constantly changing to suit the moment. So, firstly, I didn't see one constant brawl-fest. When he was too hurt to stay mobile (or maybe even know where he was) he fought on instinct. When he had nowhere to go or no wherewithal to leave, he stood his ground. That's what I saw.

But I also saw that when he could he did pop his jab and move in a way that favoured him against a stronger man, and did so in several rounds. When he was forced by Provodnikov to stand his ground, he just did. He fought out of those moments like a true warrior does and he took advantage of being able to fight on the outside when he could like a smart boxer does in that situation. I don't buy that he put himself in an awful position because he was trying to prove something. Even on the inside, when Bradley initiated, as opposed to reacted, it's not as if Bradley has made a career of outside fighting and gave that up. He's gotten inside on and mauled the hell out of several fighters. He's a short fighter who knows how to play inside quite well. Bradley fights just fine at all ranges. It's partly why I rate him so highly.

Let's not act like he abandoned something he does exclusively at any time in this match. He's an adaptive fighter, always changing his style up. Granted, if it wasn't erased from his mind by Ruslan's fists, only he knows his motives. Regardless, I don't see that he did anything reflecting poorly on his intelligence or discipline in this fight. Even if his trainer thought so or he later felt like it. I think it's probably Provodnikov's credit being falsified as Bradley's fault. I think, totally to the contrary of "fighting down to Ruslan", or "fighting stupid" that he handled severe adversity brilliantly, and in a way most simply can't. I think if he did fight a stupid fight with a concussion against Ruslan Provodnikov, no matter how much heart he has, he'd have been laid out. But he wasn't.

The mistakes that his trainer thought he made, or maybe he thought he made or countless fans thought he made, are actually an illusion, the way I see it. It might be easier to say "I made the fight harder than I had to." but I think that actually makes Bradley sound less intelligent than he is. It may seem counter-intuitive, but that's what I think the case is, very often, the many times I've heard fighters go to this old chestnut. They actually downplay their own decision-making and often the opponents too, while in hopes of distancing themselves from the supposed level of their opponent. "Please, don't think he's on my level. I just made it harder than I had to."  So, this is another piece of the case against Bradley's ring IQ and for his claimed sojourns into the fan-pleasing art of "stupid" fighting for reason X.


Section 3/3: The rematch - the most recent case for Bradley fighting "stupid" for reason X:


While I was frustrated with the decision in the initial bout, I'm still frustrated even if I agree with Pacquiao's recent victory. Why? Because I see now we've gone to a new, higher level of selling this stupid fighting angle. Throwing a random haymaker that fell well short here and there did happen. I won't say it didn't. But I've been seeing statements all over from some of boxing's most prominent voices like Jim Lampley about a Bradley who pinned his hopes on a kayo punch, made baffling strategic errors, did everything blatantly wrong, and in a few instances, all the way to Kevin Iole quoted saying "I thought he fought a stupid fight.".

I know Bradley talked up a knockout before the fight (God, who hasn't done that?) but again, maybe I'm the oblivious one. I don't see it. I see that as just talk that I've heard many times but in the actual fight I didn't see stupid fighting. No, I really didn't see this big problem that they tried to play up of Bradley swinging for the fences wildly for half the fight as though he wanted each punch to be a knockout. I didn't see this tactical decision hampering him that HBO and a lot of you saw. I saw him scoring more power shots to the head than he came remotely close to in the first fight, actually. I saw rounds that were closer. I saw a better fight even though I thought Pacquiao was more "on" in this bout than the first. To me, Bradley, once again probably had a perfectly real physical issue that hampered him a bit, and once again made the best of it and once again gets slated for doing well, this time even better. And, once again, I see a fake narrative being sold about it. 

Summary:

I think Bradley did what he could with Provodnikov after getting concussed against an ever-improving pressure fighter and he did what he could (and a hell of a job at it) against both Pac and Provo, while having a genuine injury in all three combined fights. Real things that give context are not excuses. We all saw when injury occurred in the first Pacquiao fight.  I don't really have any serious doubt that he was hampered in the second fight by a different one either. I heard him say it to his corner clearly. Nothing suspicious about it, not some afterthought he threw in later to excuse doing something wrong. He didn't do wrong. He threw a few wild punches, as Pacquiao has certainly done. But overall, I would say Bradley makes pretty rational decisions and is a very smart fighter. He is constantly trying to adapt to circumstances like injury and I don't see that he's ever failed at doing very well to make those adaptations as well as you can expect. So, that's my take on The Desert Storm and the way he's viewed these days.


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Tuesday, April 8, 2014

Boxing Quote Spotlight: Jim Lampley & Roy Jones Junior Agree On Pacquiao's Spite




Hilariously, before talking up Manny Pacquiao's kindness of character, the HBO crew, only moments before, had chimed in during the final round of Manny Pacquiao's showdown with Brandon Rios with:


Jim Lampley: "I think Pacquiao is enjoying looking at Rios's swollen, bloodied face."

Roy Jones Junior: "He is."

You've got to love it. Boxing commentary and coverage is politics. You can play up two completely contradictory angles to get people's attention and have it work on the same people like magic. Kind, compassionate Manny Pacquiao never wants to hurt his opponent much. Hey, nothing personal.  He doesn't buy into all of this adversarial bad blood. He just wants to make people happy.



. . .But he really enjoys staring at the damage his fists do! He holds a grudge! He will make you pay for your insolence and enjoy it! Bang! Bang! Bang!


. . .But, maybe he's just too nice about it. Maybe he holds himself back because of his religious nature. It's funny whether it's on purpose or not.




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Tuesday, March 18, 2014

Fight Preparation Stories: Quote From Jim Lampley About Adonis Stevenson







As we get ready for Adonis Stevenson, current Light Heavyweight Champion of the world, to make his third title defence against Poland's 26-year-old contender Andrzej Fonfara in May, I wanted to spotlight a quote. It's Jim Lampley during Stevenson's walk to the ring, in his last defence, against Tony Bellew, during the live HBO fight broadcast and about Stevenson's supposed fight-day preparation, quirky as it might be.





Jim Lampley:



"Earlier this afternoon, Adonis Stevenson ordered from room service at his hotel enough ice to fill a bathtub to the brim and he emerced himself up to the neck in ice, taking a full-body ice bath, he says, to wake himself up for the fight. Roy, he could've accomplished the same thing, simply by stepping outside here, where the temperature is minus eleven centigrade but I've never heard of a fighter taking a full ice bath on the day of a fight."


Roy Jones Junior: 

"Well, different fighters do different things to get themselves loose, and get themselves to where they can go perform. For him, he probably felt like he was a little sluggish, I mean, he gained fourteen and a half pounds. So, that could be a little sluggishness on him. More than likely, he used the ice to shock him, to get his muscles ready, and to wake himself up because he knows what he's up against."  


Stevenson defeated Bellew by a dominant sixth round TKO. I hope his next hotel has enough ice.


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Saturday, March 15, 2014

Judge Javier Alvarez VS HBO: Spotlight On Commentators VS Judges



Judge Javier Alvarez somehow found a scorecard with 115-112 for Vanes Martirosyan when Martirosyan and Demetrius Andrade squared off for a chance to win a vacant major world title on HBO live boxing, back in November. I don't know how, but now that some time has passed from this match, I thought I would spotlight this in case of future matches with Javier Alvarez judging. Cheers to HBO for deriding his card. Anybody can see a fight differently, but not that differently. I saw no valid total that can be turned in for a Martirosyan win and do fully support HBO's team in this one.

Perhaps Martirosyan was more in the fight than given credit for. If you said that, I wouldn't argue. If you said it was closer than HBO's commentators made out to be? Fine. Not an invalid statement, to me, considering that Kellerman didn't even seem to like Steve Weisfeld giving Martirosyan three rounds. Vanes hung tough and made it awkward as he normally does. Maybe some of the rounds were close enough that you couldn't argue much Martirosyan edging them when HBO's commentators didn't see it that way. Fine. Maybe some. But to see a card turned in where Martirosyan actually won? A card reflecting that he somehow got the better of this fight by any scoring method? I really hate to pick on judges and they have to turn in a highly contentious card that I can't see a competent, uncorrupted judge turn in for me to draw attention to it. But here is one.

I have recently reviewed the fight from my DVR and it was just as bad a scorecard in my mind as I found it that night, late last year. Some folks looking this one up on boxrec may see the scores and that Andrade was knocked down in the first and assume it was one of those matches where a knockdown can make all the scoring difference, like a Cotto/Clottey type score. It wasn't that. I would never write off a judge completely after even a card I find this bad. Not for one night of bad judging. But it's a red flag and I want to spotlight this because if it becomes a pattern, we, to protect our sport, need to take action and tell the boxing establishment that we will not stand for a judge that develops such a pattern (C. J. Ross) and take action like turning our backs on watching these matches live and hit channels in the pocket by lowering the ratings we give them if they air fights with judges we know have a pattern of bad cards, be those cards bad via corruption or ineptitude or severe bias of some kind.

So, IN CASE Javier Alvarez develops into a judge with a pattern of this, let's draw attention to it. If you spot a fight that he's judging that I haven't seen or taken notice of, where he has turned in another score like this, please, by all means, comment on this page and tell me what to look for and I'll try to locate it and view for myself to see if I agree it needs attention. Here is the talk of the scores as the HBO crew goes off on Judge Javier Alvarez:


Max Kellerman: "What a stinking score card, that fifteen/twelve for Martirosyan-and that better be a m- that better be a misprint-a misread."
(Kellerman seems fairly flustered)

Jim Lampley: "Otherwise you'd have to wonder what fight that judge was watching."

Kellerman: "What's the name of that judge who gave the fifteen/twelve scorecard?

Steve Weisfeld: "Javier Alvarez."

Kellerman: "And what did you say about him, Steve?"

Weisfeld: "I said he doesn't have tremendous judging experience."

Kellerman: "Yeah, or eye sight, apparently."

Lampley: "Javier Alvarez, in scoring the fight 115-112 for Martirosyan, scored the first five rounds of the fight, all for Vanes Martirosyan. I mean, that's-that's pure blindness. I'm sorry. It's embarrassing to us and to the sport when a score card like that turns up in a situation like this. . . Final Compubox numbers for the benefit of the blind judge who scored this for Vanes Martirosyan. . ."

Lampley: "Mondo Bizarro. A very, very strange score card."



Also of note: Please notice that Javier Alvarez was assigned the Keith Thurman VS Jesus Soto Karass match the following month! Awful! So, we have one black mark/red flag for Javier Alvarez. Let's hope that this is an anomaly and he turns out to be a better judge than this would indicate.



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Saturday, February 1, 2014

Strange Boxing Quote Spotlight: Roy Jones Junior Talks Organic Chemistry





During the ninth round of the terrific bout between Ruslan Provodnikov and Mike Alvarado in 2013, Roy Jones Junior's commentary took a turn for the "Huh?" when he acknowledged the strength of Ruslan Provodnikov with this explanation:

"He's an organic puncher, Jim. He been eating deer hearts, raw fish all his life. And it's showing in his punching power right now. No GMO's and all the hormones they put in the meat."


Jim Lampley moved right along without any acknowledgement of the subject matter whatsoever.

Monday, January 20, 2014

Mike Perez VS Carlos Takam: Takam Enters An Opponent, Finishes A Contender?



Mike Perez, having become one of the heavyweight division's hottest prospects after one of its best fights late last year (and most tragic outcomes) with Magomed Abdusalamov had his first fight in the aftermath Saturday night. He reportedly said he'd donate part of his purse to the Abdusalamov family. What happened? He was set up with a man sold as "an opponent" with a nice record on paper without much substance to it. That man entered the ring and started the match seemingly as just that. A safe, lackluster opponent for what might be a mentally damaged Mike Perez is every bit what Takam seemed to me in the first part of the fight.

The first half played out with Perez controlling and stalking slowly from the outside, with wide right hooks and straight lefts. The second half of this ten-rounder is Takam waging an inside fighting war the likes of which the heavyweight division virtually never sees anymore in the upper levels and getting the better of it with strength, volume and surprisingly good skill, for what he was advertised to be. This fight ended in a draw and while I actually narrowly scored it for Takam, there was nothing controversial here, beyond your typical outcry for the underdog in a close fight from underdog blind fans.

What does this mean for the division? 

For Takam: While Perez hopefuls have calmed down, wondering if Perez is the same fighter and probably forgotten that he blows hot and cold anyway, Takam is now a player in the division, having waged this war on the glory boxing network. While not much taller than Perez, he's got the weight of a true super heavyweight and this man can fight. If not a rematch? Takam and Dereck Chisora could enter into the best inside fighting heavyweight match of 2014! Takam made a fan out of me. I would not have predicted it after the first five rounds but he did. Congratulations to him for an HBO coming out party. Getting an opportunity to shine can be a matter of luck, but actually shining is most often a matter of will. Takam willfully forced himself into the real name heavyweight ranks against the odds.

For Perez: With all the letting go of Perez's chances in the division, I'm not at all convinced that he's got anything wrong with him and think he actually put on a good fight. For the time being, I am going to rate Takam higher more than Perez lower. But I am in the minority. Many are unwilling to consider him a standout contender after Saturday night. The favourite doesn't always perform like the favourite, but it doesn't mean they aren't performing. Perez and Takam both showed an awful lot of grit in the second half of the fight. For ten-rounders, that's two very grueling matches in a row for Perez, and in only a few months' time. I say we should give the man a break and let him regroup. That said, what this means for Perez is that he goes into the category of likely Klitschko domination opponents until further notice with the fan majority. Again, I am not personally convinced that there's been a great change in him stemming from the Abdusalamov fight, and that fight alone, but I am convinced that there are contenders a plenty who have unexpectedly difficult nights after looking spectacular and many of them have gone on to become champions, some of which get there immediately afterward. Perez could be in that group.



Broadcast Quotes:

During the 6th round:

Jim Lampley: I don't see any sign whatsoever that Perez is in some way affected by the mental hangover from the Abdusalamov thing. He's got a whole different problem in front of him and that's Carlos Takam.
Roy Jones Junior: None! A Whole different problem and a whole different type of a problem because he's fighting the same fight that they want Mike Perez to fight.

Other Broadcast Notes:

*Harold Lederman's card had Takam winning it, 96-94, broken down as:
Perez Rounds: 1,2,4 &5
Takam Rounds: 3 & 6-10

*Max Kellerman saw it as many fans and two of the three judges, five rounds to five. 

*Light Heavyweight Champion Adonis Stevenson was in attendance.

*HBO gives a link to donate to Magomed Abdusalamov and his family in their very difficult struggle, in the aftermath of his medical trauma, and all the expenses and uncertainty that have followed. That link is: http://ring10ny.com/

*Mike Perez's ring walk/entrance music is I'm Shipping Up To Boston, by Dropkick Murphys



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Sunday, January 19, 2014

Jean Pascal VS Lucian Bute: Pascal Mostly Plays With Bute...Mostly




Defending a well regarded North American Light Heavyweight title, former Light Heavyweight Champion Jean Pascal uses his speed and his Roy Jones Junior inspired tricks to play with his fellow big time Canadian draw and former Super Middleweight Titlist Lucian Bute at the Bell Centre, in Montreal. Bute started well in the first round, ended well with a lot of action and guts, but simply couldn't pull the trigger on the lightning fast Pascal in a meaningful way through the majority of the fight. He was passionately urged by his trainer during the breaks but couldn't seem to figure out his former sparring partner. In some ways it reminded a lot of the rounds Chad Dawson dropped against Pascal. Jean can bamboozle with his style, as what's becoming known to many, as an "ambush style". Spurts and outbursts, in and out, speed of hand and foot, ambush, retreat, ambush retreat, lather, rinse and repeat, it goes. Only Bernard Hopkins seems to understand Pascal completely.

Whenever Bute started to get at all comfortable and land, Pascal would initiate a violent flurry to take the round, essentially. Some found his activity level lacking and losing more than a few rounds but I am not one of them. He displayed excellent ring generalship for most of the fight, though he was decidedly careless at times, showing little respect for Bute's known power. I think Bute's want to counter-punch was consistently nullified by Pascal turning the tables and waiting on him and beating him at his own game when he came forward. What I liked from Pascal tonight is that aside from the ambush flurries when they were needed, he had great success with right hand pot shots throughout as well.

Bute says he is disappointed and that it wasn't really him until the final round where there was great speculation as to whether Pascal was playing possum or seriously stunned, as he was almost without offense, being assaulted in the corner. Bute insists that he could come through in a rematch that he wants, but I think he knows he was soundly beaten, despite some very strange calls to the contrary, by the likes of Jim Watt.

In closing, Bute has heart but a sketchy future after his excellent career and Jean Pascal is definitely still a player at light heavyweight. It was a good night of boxing and a good choice of matches by HBO.

Broadcast notes: 

*HBO's TOTT listed an unofficial weigh-in weight/rehydrated weight as:
Pascal: 185 pounds
Bute: 184 pounds

*Bute's entrance/ring walk music is U2's Where The Streets Have No Name.

*Pascal's entrance/ring walk music is Roy Jones Junior's Ya'll Must've Forgot.

*Commentator Roy Jones Junior takes a break from his regular gig to coach in Jean Pascal's trainer, which Pascal thanks him for in the post-fight interview, calling Roy the best pound-for-pound.

*Light Heavyweight Champion Adonis Stevenson is interviewed before the match by Jim Lampley. Max Kellerman says Sergey Kovalev is the real number one contender in the division to Adonis' throne.

*Jim Lampley says of the attendance: "We got an announced crowd of 20, 479 in the Bell Centre, which means that both Jean Pascal and Lucian Bute will be fighting before the largest crowd ever to have seen them fight, here in Montreal, and both have sold a lot of tickets, prior to tonight."





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Wednesday, November 27, 2013

Strange Boxing Quotes: Max Kellerman Almost Becomes Larry Merchant

While taking a second look recently at Miguel Cotto getting what I thought looked a slightly premature but likely inevitable stoppage over Delvin Rodriguez, I couldn't help but want to spotlight one of the more awkward attempts I've seen to make a poetic lead-in to a fight.




"Delvin Rodriguez grew up on a farm in the Dominican Republic until he was nine years old and came to this country. And they ate everything they grew and slaughtered, and I asked him if he was ever affected by slaughtering an animal or watching one be slaughtered. He said "No. It was a way of life." Except for one time. The first time he saw a bull slaughtered. Because of the amount of blood, because of the human sound the bull made as it lay dying. If he beats Miguel Cotto tonight, that sound you hear is of the old bull dying-the career that once was Miguel Cotto's. I don't think he can sustain another loss and remain on top."

~Max Kellerman, on HBO, in the lead-in to Miguel Cotto VS Delvin Rodriguez


Jim Lampley's face was priceless. I cannot describe it.





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