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Showing posts with label Harold Lederman. Show all posts
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Wednesday, July 16, 2014

The Great Exchange On "Foul Acting" - Quote Spotlight With George Foreman & Jim Lampley




During Miguel Cotto's TERRIFIC HBO war with Ricardo Torres, way back in his light welterweight days, the 24th of September, 2005, there was a great exchange. It was about the concept of faking a foul and/or over-exaggerating its effects. This concept is obviously one that generates plenty of discussion in many sports. The exchange occurred right after the unofficial HBO scorer, Harold Lederman, voiced his displeasure at what he perceived to be faked low blows landed on Ricardo Torres and is one of those priceless George Foreman sticking points as a commentator. Here it is:


Jim Lampley: And, I am told that our interpreter, Jerry Olaya, heard the people in Torres' corner, between rounds, telling their fighter "If he hits you low again, go down, and make an act out of it. Try to get a point deduction." Which makes sense, incidentally.

George Foreman: It only makes sense if you don't have a lot of dignity.



Jim Lampley after a few moments of calling the action between them: Yeah, you're right, George. I agree. It makes a certain competitive sense but not honourable sense.

George Foreman: Nah. This is all about honour, what it all boils down to. Win, lose or draw. . .Get some honour into it.



George Foreman always kept commentating interesting, in my opinion. You didn't have to agree with him, and Jim Lampley didn't have to get along particularly well with him, but he was always a character to behold.



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Friday, May 30, 2014

Harold Lederman Compares Julio Cesar Chavez Junior to Senior Unfavourably: Quote Spotlight










It's a rare thing to hear Harold Lederman being personally critical of a fighter and it may not have been particularly fair, given the disparity in virtually every capacity that Julio Cesar Chavez Junior had against Sergio Martinez but it was spotlight-worthy when he criticised Julio Junior with a comparison to his father.

Harld Lederman, during the tenth round of Sergio Martinez VS Julio Cesar Chavez Junior:

"If it's one thing I never expected that was a meek performance by the son of Julio Cesar Chavez Senior. I mean, he just doesn't have that-that vicious gene that his father had. His father was pure mean. This kid is so meek. He's not-just not trying. I mean, he's standing there and, you know, and letting Martinez pound on him like that. I would've never expected this."










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Monday, January 20, 2014

Catalogue Of Harold Lederman's HBO Unofficial Boxing Scorecards



This page is dedicated to cataloging HBO's long-time unofficial scorer's cards throughout the many years he has had the gig as a reference for anyone researching the matches or Lederman's scores in particular. Bookmark for future reference as I'll continue to add as many as I can.

Link to HBO Boxing: http://www.hbo.com/boxing

2018:

2017:

Yves Ulysse Junior VS Cletus Seldin
Total Score: 100-87, for Ulysse
all 10's for Ulysse, to three 8's and seven 9's for Seldin. There is no other way to score the fight, that I can see.

Billy Joe Saunders VS David Lemieux:
Total Score: 120-100, for Saunders, exclusively 10-9 rounds for all twelve. This was on the money, as it was as dominant as a distance fight for two major world titlist names in their youth is ever going to be.




2015:

October:

Humberto Soto VS Antonio Orozco:
Total Score: 95-94, for Orozco


Soto Rounds: 1, 3, 6 & 7
Orozco Rounds: 2, 4, 5, 8 &10
Even/Draw Rounds: 9 (there was a questionable point deduction for low blows)

Official winner: Orozco


July:

Jean Pascal VS Yunieski Gonzalez: 

Total Score: 97-93, for Gonzalez

Pascal Rounds: 4, 7 & 10
Gonzalez Rounds: 1-3, 5, 6, 8 & 9

April:

Sadam Ali VS Francisco Santana: 
Total Score: 98-92, for Ali

Ali: 1, 2 & 5-10
Santana:  3 & 4

Wladimir Klitschko VS Bryant Jennings: 
Total Score: 117-110, for Klitschko

Klitschko: 1-5, 7, 8 & 11-12
Jennings: 6, 9
Draw: 10 (9-9 round after Klitschko is deducted 1 point for holding)

March: 

Vyacheslav Glazkov VS Steve Cunningham
Total Score: 115-113, for Cunningham

Cunningham Rounds: 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 8 & 9
Glazkov Rounds: 3, 7, 10, 11 & 12

Isaac Chilemba VS Vasily Lepikhin:
Total Score: 100-90, for Chilemba

Chilemba Rounds: 1-10
Lepikhin Rounds: Not Applicable

January:

Gilberto Ramirez VS Maxim Vlasov:
Total Score: 97-93, for Ramirez

Ramirez Rounds: 1, 3-7 & 9
Vlasov Rounds: 2, 8 & 10

2014 Fights:

December:





 
Timothy Bradley VS Diego Chaves: 
Total Score: 116-112, for Bradley

Bradley Rounds: 1-5, 7, 8 & 10

Chaves Rounds:  6, 9, 11 & 12


Jose Benavidez VS Mauricio Herrera:
Total Score: 116-112, for Herrera

Herrera Rounds: 1, 2, 3, 7, 8, 9, 10 & 12
Benavidez Rounds:4, 5, 6 & 11

Official Winner: Benavidez, UD

November:

Sergey Kovalev VS Bernard Hopkins:

Total Score: 120-107, for Kovalev

Kovalev Rounds: 1-12
Hopkins Rounds: None

August:

Jessie Vargas VS Anton Novikov:
Total Score: 115-113, for Vargas

Vargas Rounds: 1-3, 6, 9, 10 & 12
Novikov Rounds:  4, 5, 7, 8 & 11


June:

Miguel Cotto VS Sergio Martinez:

Total Score (at the round prior to the stoppage):  79-70, for Cotto

Cotto Rounds: 1-4 & 6-8 (Round 1 a 10-6)
Martinez Rounds: 5

May:


Viktor Postol VS Selcuk Aydin (preceding the stoppage round, for those interested)
Score: 88-83, for Postol

Postol Rounds: 2-7, 9 & 10
Aydin: 1 & 8

Juan Manuel Marquez VS Mike Alvarado: 
Total Score: 116-110, for Marquez

Marquez: 1-6, 8, 10 & 12
Alvarado:  7, 9 & 11


March:

Orlando Salido VS Vasyl Lomachenko:

Note: Unless I missed it, I believe HBO did not post Harold's card after the twelfth and final round. However, this was his score for the first eleven:

Total Score: 105-104, for Salido

Salido Rounds: 2-4, 6, 8 & 9
Lomachenko Rounds: 1, 5, 7, 10 & 11

Julio Cesar Chavez Junior VS Brian Vera II:
Total Score: 116-111, for Chavez Junior, one point having been deducted from Vera for having the wrong referee, let's say

Chavez Rounds: 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10 & 11
Vera Rounds: 3, 6, 9 & 12

January:



Mike Perez VS Carlos Takam
Score: 96-94, for Takam

Perez Rounds: 1,2,4 &5
Takam Rounds: 3 & 6-10

2013:


November:

Mike Perez VS Magomed Abdusalamov

Total Score: 96-93, for Perez
Perez Rounds: 1, 2, 5-8 & 10
Abdusalamov Rounds: 3, 4 & 9


October:

Ruslan Provodnikov VS Mike Alvarado
Total score going into the stoppage round (10): 87-82, for Provodnikov
Alvarado Rounds: 2, 3 & 6
Provodnikov Rounds: 1, 4, 5 & 7-9

March:

Timothy Bradley VS Ruslan Provodnikov 
Total Score: 115-112, for Bradley
Bradley Rounds: 3-5 & 7-11
Provodnikov Rounds: 3, 4 and 12 (10-8)

Gennady Golovkin VS Curtis Stevens
Total Score, before the stoppage round: 70-62, for Golovkin

Golovkin Rounds: 1-7
Stevens Rounds: N/A

2012:

September:

Sergio Martinez VS Julio Cesar Chavez Junior
Total Score: 118-109, for Martinez

Martinez Rounds: 1-11
Chavez Rounds: 12 (10-8)


2007:



July:

Paul Williams VS Antonio Margarito
Total Score: 116-112, for Paul Williams

Williams Rounds: 1-6, 9 & 12
Margarito Rounds: 7, 8, 10 & 11

March:

Juan Manuel Marquez VS Marco Antonio Barrera
Score: 114-113, for Marco Antonio Barrer

Barrera Rounds: 1-3, 6, 8, 9 & 11
Marquez Rounds: 4,5, 7, 10, 12

2006:

April:

Floyd Mayweather Junior VS Zab Judah
Total Score: 116-112, for Mayweather Junior
Mayweather Rounds: 3 & 5-11
Judah Rounds: 1, 2, 4 & 12


2004: 

March:

Ronald Wright VS Shane Mosley (I) 
Total Score: 117-111, for Wright
Wright Rounds: 1-4 & 7-11
Mosley Rounds: 5, 6 & 12


2002:

April:

Floyd Mayweather Junior VS Jose Luise Castillo
Total Score: 115-111, for Jose Luis Castillo

Mayweather Rounds: 1, 2, 4 & 9
Castillo Rounds: 3, 5, 6, 7 & 10-12 (Had the tenth round scored 10-8)
Draw Rounds: 8



2001:

April:

Marco Antonio Barrera VS Naseem Hamed
Total Score: 115-112, for Marco Antonio Barrera

Barrera Rounds:  1, 4, 6-9 & 11
Hamed Rounds:  2, 3, 5 & 10
Draw Rounds: 12



1999 Fights:

September:

Felix Trinidad VS Oscar De La Hoya
Total Score: 114-114, Draw
De La Hoya Rounds: 1-3 & 6-8
Trinidad Rounds: 4,5 & 9-12

February:

Felix Trinidad VS Pernell Whitaker
Total Score: 117-110, for Felix Trinidad
Trinidad Rounds: 2, 3-6, 8-10 & 12
Whitaker Rounds: 1,7 & 11

1997:

April:

Oscar De La Hoya VS Pernell Whitaker 
Total Score: 114-112, for De La Hoya
De La Hoya Rounds: 2-4 (3rd round scored 10-8), 7, 8, 10 & 12
Whitaker Rounds: 1, 5, 6, 9 (scored 10-8) & 11



1993:

May:

Roy Jones Junior VS Bernard Hopkins
Total Score: 118-110, for Roy Jones Junior, 10 rounds to 2 (11&12). 

1991:

April:

Evander Holyfield VS George Foreman
Total Score: 119-109, for Evander Holyfield
Holyfield Rounds: 1-5 & 7-12 (11th round was scored a 10-8)
Foreman Round: 6


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