Larry Merchant Is Having None Of Your BS! (GIF Spotlight)

In January of 1997, Daniel Zaragoza defended his super bantamweight title against Wayne McCoullough in a match that left Zaragoza to say McCullough had the best chin he ever came up against and McCullough saying Zaragoza was the smartest fighter he'd ever been up against. Zaragoza took a split decision over the undefeated young challenger but a McCullough fan decided to crash Larry Merchant's interview with the old champion by yelling "He was robbed!" So, Larry Merchant...

Larry apologized (not to the fan) but to his interviewees, claiming he wasn't used to using "strong-arm tactics" to conduct his interviews. It's really too bad Ricky Hatton wasn't there to fix his hair up properly.


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B. J. Flores Pays His Respects To Gennady Golovkin: Quote Spotlight

During the Post-Fight PBC broadcast on NBC Sports (a slightly confusing programming matter), cruiserweight boxer and regular NBC Sports commentator B. J. Flores made a nice reference to Gennady Golovkin. It was during the Jonathan Guzman VS Christian Esquivel match. It is mentioned by his co-commentator during the second round that Guzman was being more of a boxer than he'd expected and he thought with all his knockouts that he'd come out swinging. B. J. responds by saying:

"He kinda takes his time, and I like that. You know, but you look at a guy like Gennady Golovkin. You look at his knockout percentage. He doesn't come out and rush the knockout. He systematically breaks his opponents down and does it through technical boxing and relentless pressure.  So, I'm not saying Guzman is in any form a Gennady Golovkin, but, you know,  it doesn't always have to be a free-swinging guy from the bar."

It's clear that while many would like to put Golovkin in the category of a brawler with wide-open defense, and no patience to do anything but lay his power on the opponent, most in the know understand that he is really a much more professional and subtle operator by nature. B. J. was spot-on in this one.



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Freddie Roach On Working With Israel Vazquez: Quote Spotlight

In December of 2005, the HBO crew called Israel Vazquez VS Oscar Larios III. During the broadcast, commentator Jim Lampley dropped a great quote from Vazquez's trainer at the time.

"How's this for a quote from Freddie Roach-and we've seen him with so many great fighters, including, of course, Manny Pacquiao-Roach says of Israel Vazquez: 

'He's the greatest champion I've ever worked with. Nobody comes to the gym with a better attitude. Nobody works harder and more honestly. I've never known a nicer boxer.' "

Magnifico made one heck of an impression. On all of us. Trainers, opponents, and fans.


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What Do Super Bantamweights Rehydrate To? An Unofficial Weight Reference List

The following is a list compiled from our main page:

Fight Night Boxing Weights: A List Of Unofficial Weigh-in Weights After Rehydration

Please note: This particular reference list page is reserved only for Super Bantamweights fighting without catch-weights, that we have on file. Where we have seen catch-weights implemented within the division's range, we will try to make note. This page is meant to answer the question only of what your standard Super Bantamweight rehydration will look like for educational purposes, whether you are interested academically or for betting purposes, debate, whatever. I hope you find it helpful if you've recently done a search for it. If you like what we do here, please bookmark, share, link to us, comment, etc. If you have a correction on any typos or special, relevant information you feel we should make note of, any error or anything at all, please feel free to comment. What we get the most response to we will likely work the most to expand on. Thanks for your visit.


Super Bantamweight, AKA Junior Featherweight: 122 lbs

2018:

December:

Juan Francisco Estrada VS Victor Mendez  - Contested at Super Bantamweight

Estrada: Official: 120.4 - Unofficial: 134
Mendez: Official: 119.2 - Unofficial: 129.2

November: 


Murodjon Akhmadaliev VS Isaac Zarate - Contested at Super Bantamweight

Akhmadaliev: Official: 121.2 - Unofficial: 134
Zarate: Official: 122 - Unofficial: 133.5

May: 


Rey Vargas VS Azat Hovhannisyan - Contested at Super Bantamweight

Vargas:             Official: 120 - Unofficial: 132
Hovhannisyan: Official: 121 - Unofficial: 133


2012:

December:

Nonito Donaire VS Jorge Arce

Donaire: 129
Arce: 135

While on HBO's TOTT it is also sourced to ESPN: Donaire blasts Arce into retirementJuly:

Nonito Donaire VS Jeffrey Mathebula

Donaire: 132
Mathebula: 136

September: 

Guillermo Rigondeaux VS Robert Marroquin - Contested at Super Bantamweight (122)

Rigondeaux: 122 - 128
Marroquin: 122 - 134

2010:

November:


Guillermo Rigondeaux VS Ricardo Cordob

Rigondeaux: 124
Cordoba: 133

2009:

April:

Juan Manuel Lopez VS Gerry Penalosa - Contested at Super Bantamweight

Lopez: Official: 121.5 Unofficial: 131
Penalosa: Official: 121.75 Unofficial: 128

2008:


December:

 
Juan Manuel Lopez VS Sergio Manuel Medina - Contested at Super Bantamweight

Lopez: 122 - 129
Medina: 122 - 138

2003:

July: 

Manny Pacquiao VS Emmanuel Lucer

Pacquiao: 135
Lucero: 134

2002:

June:

Manny Pacquiao VS Jorge Eliecer Julio

Pacquiao: 129
Julio: 130

2001:



June:

Manny Pacquiao VS Lehlo Ledwaba

Pacquiao: 131
Ledwaba: 135


1998:


September: 


Erik Morales VS Junior Jones

Morales: 134
Jones:  139




Source: Sources for all matches are during the fight broadcast's tale of the tape unless otherwise noted.

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JoJo Diaz VS Ramiro Robles: Prospect WAR!

The Setup:

On the ninth of July, 2012 Olympian and Super Bantamweight prospect JoJo Diaz takes on significantly less hot Mexican Bantamweight prospect but statistically near-identical Ramiro Robles, at almost the same height, weight, age, reach and record. Diaz, with only eleven professional fights is coming off a UD over former world title challenger and current gatekeeper, at most, Luis Maldonado. Diaz is yet another prospect who is being closely followed in hopes of being a star. Just as the previous match on this card had notoriously shameful referee Russell Mora, this match has notoriously respected and likely top three regarded referee in the sport, Tony Weeks, who hasn't refereed since Mayweather/Maidana. Also noteworthy-both men are southpaws. Two southpaw prospects!



The Action:

This match turns into what was rightly a widely scored match in Diaz's favour, and yet, it was as good as any rightfully widely scored fight is ever going to be. In round one, Diaz seems to smell blood in the wrong place and unleashes on Robles as if he thinks he can blow him out early but he's not even close. Robles is fine, though did eat an awful lot of Diaz's assault. This is a tough guy, Robles, and he seems unintimidated from the get-go. It isn't a slow build to confidence. He is looking secure in what he can do from round one. Commentator Paulie Malignaggi is bang-on, as far as I can tell, in his assessment that Diaz is definitely the more gifted fighter, but while Robles doesn't have the ability to hang with him, athletically, from the outside, Diaz mostly allows for inside fighting when he's putting those fan-friendly combos together. And Robles mostly had an ability to answer for every combination he ate.


Diaz fires these great left uppercut/right hook combos and full-bodied hooks to the body, left and right. He's an excellent, diverse offensive fighter. The only thing missing is a well-timed jab in this match. Aside from the range giving Robles his best chance in the fight, Diaz blocks more, lands more, gets off faster, lands sharper, and counters better throughout the fight. It's a battle, it's hard-fought competition, but it's still a class difference. If there is a criticism on Diaz, it's that for the high level of talent, he didn't show the ring generalship to fully control a fight that maybe he could have controlled with different strategy. With more commitment to a jab, this may have been easier winning for JoJo. But that's not a guarantee, I suppose, and you cannot take away a thing from Robles, who is a warrior. His chin and his stamina are enviable.

Even though Robles is far from a good counter-puncher, as Malignaggi stated, he's ALWAYS there to answer back. He never lets Diaz run away with a round. I cannot state to you how important that is in the way this match played out. It could've been so easy to let Diaz move in and out and land his combinations out of discouragement, but while some fault is on Diaz for staying in for a reply, major props has to go to Robles for going after Diaz after every assault, as often as he could. He does not let the fight go, even with the gap in talent between the two. He keeps letting his hands go. He keeps committing to not being out-worked, even if he's out-skilled or out-sped. He never fought like a dejected opponent. He knew he was in it as long as he could land punches and he did, in each round, land something substantial. He was never broken and never put in a territory where it wasn't still competitive within the round. Really, this was war, no matter that one guy clearly got the better of it. By the penultimate round, Diaz had the bloody face to prove he didn't fight a pushover. 

It was not only impressive that the loser didn't get discouraged, but it was impressive that with such a determined guy that Diaz was so strongly favoured over, Diaz didn't get discouraged either. Lesser prospects would have had the wind taken out of their sails the first time they got this type of match with a genuinely hard man who refused to give in. Diaz UD10 Robles, and all on the up and up.



What it means: JoJo Diaz remains a hot prospect, got taken into deep waters in a way you want to see a prospect before they get a big shot in this sport. He passed with flying colours. I do feel there's a weakness there with his jab that he could work on but a very satisfying performer and hopeful prospect worthy of following. Robles puts himself on the map as a tough as nails, game as they get prospect. Both prove that they can go ten hard, grueling rounds. They have the heart, they have the conditioning, they have the mindset. Either of these guys should be welcome to future television cards. FS1 picks an excellent match and deserves credit for this one.





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Diego De La Hoya VS Miguel Tamayo: I wish his name were Victor

The set up:

Taking place on the ninth of July, DDLH weighed in just inside the Featherweight limit and Tamayo weighed in right at the Super Bantamweight limit, only two pounds official difference. We have Tamayo as the seasoned veteran journeyman, who has been in the ring with Gary Russell Junior in just his last fight. We have DDLH, who is being built as one of FS1's star prospects. Diego comes in having appeared the goods as a TV fighter, even if he doesn't hit the elite level. He's a fun prospect. His cousin, promoter and HOF fighter Oscar De La Hoya is in attendance for this match.

The action:

I cannot tell you how much I wish Diego's name were Victor, because "Vicious" is the adjective that I suspect will stick with his name. There are fighters with a good killer instinct and then there are vicious fighters. A good killer instinct is only knowing when you have hurt someone and can finish them and making good on that knowledge. But being vicious requires the willingness to kick into another gear until you can hurt a guy in the first place. A sense of urgency, a style where you take risks for the sole payoff of doing damage to your opponent. DDLH shows this viciousness the same as he had in the last fight I saw him in. He is risky, the way he lets go big punches in combination, early and often. He manages to be both risky and technically sound. He isn't reckless or unprofessionally impatient but he always tries to get his man hurt, right out of the gate, from the look of it. Against Tamayo, this is no different. He found big punches and put together hurtful combinations in round one. No real feel-out periods for Diego De La Hoya. He looks to chin-check his man as soon as possible with something big.

There wasn't much to the fight on Tamayo's behalf. Not for lack of trying. Tamayo came out looking like he wanted to convey the sentiment of "Hey, kid. Whatever you've got, I've seen it." and Tamayo has been in with some serious men who can hit, like Cesar Seda, with whom he went the distance. The way DDLH moves shows his high class as an athlete. His footwork is very good and he uses movement consistently. He's not all aggression. There's craft to this young man. In round three, DDLH seems to openly shove Tamayo to the ground. He's knocking Tamayo's head back with uppercuts and even jabs. Tamayo is firing with dedication but he's not at all sharp by comparison. By this third round, DDLH is knocking Tamayo around, stumbling, off balance, taking heavy leather to the body too. He's not reacting the same way to punches in this round. He's already been a little broken down, early as it is.

Round four saw another round of punches in bunches from DDLH, who has hurtful combinations, not shoe-shining combinations. Tamayo fires wide and slow combinations. Tamayo gets turned and turned as he sends telegraph after telegraph of what he wants to do. There is too much of a deficit of hand and foot speed with this young gun for Tamayo to overcome.

I like when DDLH fires a one-two-three, jab, straight right, left uppercut. That uppercut at the end is some kind of nastiness and expertly timed. About a minute left in the fifth and DDLH lands a huge straight right on Tamayo with a dramatic head snapping effect and they trade as Tamayo goes to the ropes and takes the worst of it. Referee Russell Mora breaks them and DDLH drives Tamayo to the ropes again with another combination and yet another head snapping right lands big. Mora stops it. Some called it an early stoppage; I call it a perfect place for the old standing eight count rule to have been implemented, were it in effect. Tamayo raised his hands as if to say "Oh, come on!" but he wasn't ever really in the fight. I won't argue Russell Mora's call, despite knowing him for one of history's worst reffing jobs ever in Abner Mares VS Joseph Agbeko I. A black mark on sports history if ever there was one, Mora left that night. I can't help but mention it whenever Russell Mora shows his face. He is forever tainted as a professional referee because of it and I am disappointed any time he is given the chance to oversee any fight on television. 

What it means: Diego De La Hoya is still must-see TV. FS1 is smart to be following him and building him up as a draw. He brings a fight. For Tamayo? His stock slipped even as a journeyman, game as he is. You can only stay relevant, even as a relevant journeyman for so long when you take damage like that. It is not a place in the sport that lends itself to longevity. I don't know how much longer he can offer any real resistance to name fighters at even as early a stage as DDLH is at. FS1 gets a thumbs up for bringing Diego back but a thumbs down for allowing Russell Mora the privilege of any spotlight on their air. Channels don't have to have authority in picking referees to make very clear that they won't televise men like Mora and, of course, Laurence Cole, the notorious regular to HBO's Texas cards, who the commentators themselves have pointed out as one of the sport's worst. Thankfully, Mora didn't have much opportunity to turn in one of his disasters this time out.





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Cesar Seda VS Alex Rangel: Seda Remains Relevant

The set up: 

Cesar Seda, who had only two losses in 27 matches, has only lost to top shelf fighters in Leo Santa Cruz and Omar Narvaez, both of whom were undefeated fighters when he faced them. A Puerto Rican contender in front of a Puerto Rican crowd against Alex Rangel, a Mexican near-prospect. Rangel is coming off a stoppage loss but it is a late-round stoppage and his only loss by knockout. Rangel is a tough, little scrapper who likes to get into range and let his hands go. I wouldn't call him a real prospect, but he is in no way a pushover, and maybe even just a notch under what you need to be, to be considered a legitimate prospect at this stage of his career. Rangel enters into hostile territory, on paper. Perhaps the crowd is too happy to have Felix Trinidad in attendance to be all that hostile though.


The action:

The match starts off a bit sloppy. The first round alone sees two non-punch-related trips to the canvas. Rangel gets put down on a hard shoulder bump and shove from the bigger, stronger Seda and Seda visits the canvas on a wild, missed swing. I'm sure he wanted to see if he could get an early blowout in front of his people. After Seda begins to calm down, he basically sets the tone for the fight with his confidence that Rangel cannot hurt him and cannot outbox him. Once he seems confident in this, he does a fine job in never letting the momentum slip into Rangel's favour. Seda was bigger, stronger and just a bit smarter, knowing when to step back out of Rangel's range to take control, knowing that he can step into any exchange, any time, and Rangel wasn't going to get the best of it.

A fair UD10, for Seda.

The summary and meaning:

It was competitive enough to be a good watch, without being so competitive as to make Seda's stock drop. It's a nice showing from both men with one being a clear cut higher than the other. A far better matched fight than the opener and much appreciated on this card. Without it, we didn't have much sustained boxing substance to the broadcast event, which suffered multiple broadcast errors throughout the card. Two false breaks into a commercial, and one video outage while the audio continued, all before the main event. It was not without trouble, traveling to Puerto Rico, for FS1, tonight. Seda is still a relevant contender and Rangel maintains a solid level in the game. He may not be a prospect but he's a respectable fighter. Both would do well in future televised events, albeit at different levels.



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JoJo Diaz VS Carlos Rodriguez: JoJo is Too Big, Too Quick, Too Strong, Too Skilled

JoJo Diaz, a pro for less than a year and already finishing his eighth fight tonight was in a showcase match, despite the very best efforts that Carlos Rodriguez could give. The 35-fight veteran Rodriguez gave Diaz good experience rounds and all his best attempts to adjust, but, in short, Rodriguez was outsized, out-skilled, out-sped, out-gunned, and outmatched in every way but that extra pro experienced. Diaz, a sharp boxer puncher, did essentially as he pleased and showed the crowd he was a man to watch. At 21, he's looking as professional, confident and collected as you can possibly expect a prospect to be. A very good show from the southpaw former 2012 Olympian. Diaz TKO 7 Rodriguez. While Diaz did himself every favour with this performance, Rodriguez did himself no disservice. The stoppage call by Raul Caiz Junior was very warranted. Further fight was only further punishment for the game Rodriguez.


Notes:

*The fight aired on FS1 (with commentators Mario Solis and Rich Marotta)
*A Golden Boy Promotions card
*Commentators mention that they thought they overheard talk of Diaz hurting his hand, but it's assumed to be minor if anything.







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Diego De La Hoya VS Luis Cosme: The Golden Kid Is A Vicious Man In Debut Fight

Tonight, in a billed super bantamweight contest, new representative of the De La Hoya family and debuting fighter, Diego De La Hoya, matches significantly more experienced Luis Cosme (8-3-1). In round one, Diego comes out confidently trying to work the body and the jab. His jab seems very stiff, fitting into the family tree. He's got fast hands and though he takes a few good shots, he clearly wins the round and isn't put off by the disparity in experience or getting caught. 

In round two, excellent straight punches are on display by Diego. They're fighting rough and pushing each other around, in addition to the punches thrown. But Diego is throwing a lot more leather and his punches are mostly belting shots. Clear round for Diego, that.

In round three, mostly Cosme seems looking for mistakes of DLH to throw an odd shot in. You can tell Diego's power is something to be respected. Diego puts his pedal to the metal and puts together enough to put Cosme down. It's an incredibly long assault and wouldn't have been advisable in a longer scheduled fight. The ref calls it. I think it was initially a right uppercut that did the most damage by itself but he wouldn't have gone down if DLH hadn't have committed to such a long assault. He really was all over Cosme like a rabid dog.

In closing, this one looks to be a crowd pleaser, whether he becomes a champion or not. Good luck to him and congrats on his vicious debut.


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3-Time Ohio Olympian Rau'shee Warren UD's Omar Gonzalez in Dominant Fashion

Cincinnati native and highly decorated former amateur Rau'shee Warren took on Omar Gonzalez on the back of Gonzalez's surprising 4-round victory over Raul Martinez on FS1's Monday Night Fights. The baffling speed of Warren had Gonzalez on the canvas for two flash knockdowns in the opening round. One on right hooks and one apparently on a stiff jab! Gonzalez had a bloody nose when he went back to his corner after the first round and Warren was looking excellent in this rare match (rare for being two southpaws). The first round was a good indicator of everything to follow, save for it actually going the distance.

In round two, Warren still displays one cracking right hook and terrific reflexes but it gets scrappier as the ref has to step into Warren's spotlight a bit. Gonzalez hits the deck, and it's correctly not ruled a legit knockdown. In round three, Gonzalez lands a little bit but is mostly countered simple and likely realises fighting on the front foot or off the back foot, he's not getting into the fight that much. He's trying to adjust, respectably, but it's not winning him the round. In round four, Gonzalez excites the crowd in a largely ineffective sustained attack on Warren while having him on the ropes. Warren is seeming to get excited as well and gets a warning for shoving Omar. Gonzalez's wide, wide shots are connecting now, and he's getting into this, surprisingly as it is. He's not getting countered as badly throughout this round so far. Warren seems to realise Gonzalez is getting into it and starts to get very aggressive. He forces a legitimate knockdown, quickly stamping out Gonzalez's great effort throughout most of the round. Omar has his mouthpiece placed back in after the ref gives him his count.

In round five, boxer/commentator of the night (and doing a lovely job at it), Paulie Malignaggi notes that Warren is likely baiting Gonzalez so that he can shine with his counters and I agree. He seems to want to play on his counter-punching, smartly, until he realises a round is getting away from him. Then he has no trouble leading. Warren dominates this round in style. In round six, the final round, yet again, seemingly as soon as Warren thinks Gonzalez is having more success than he should be having, getting into the fight just a little bit, he takes it away from him. He won't let his opponent win a round just because he can afford to lose it. Gonzalez pinned him on the ropes a bit and teed off on his body and soon after he is down again, on a right hook to the side of the head, I believe. This is the fourth knockdown.

There is obviously no points win in all probability for Gonzalez from very early on but he keeps trying to get into it. He's a strong-willed fighter. But, again, it's Gonzalez trying to get into the fight and Warren dashing his hopes of being competitive as immediately as he can after any success at all. I love that instinct in a fighter. That's a ring general. Gonzalez takes yet another knockdown from Warren, with a few hard shots, with his mouthpiece out again. It wasn't likely one telling punch but a few hard shots from the better man while hoping to get a stoppage on his TV date. He survives about forty more seconds to the final bell of this six-rounder.

Gonzalez was so utterly outclassed in suffering his five knockdowns in six rounds that I don't believe he could have done anything more than what he did. He fought a courageous fight, tried to use his head and adjust a bit, stayed mentally strong, never quit, but Warren was simply coming from a very different neighbourhood, both athletically and intellectually. I'm speaking of that neighbourhood, skillwise, but geographically speaking, perhaps Warren and Broner will be in some sort of red hot Ohio, USA era. I know Warren wanted that stoppage and everybody likes a stoppage to get excited about someone, but he cements himself as a hot prospect for my liking. Both men gave a credit to the opportunity they received to be on television. This was another good choice from FS1, I feel. No, not for competitiveness, in retrospect, but for showcasing someone worth showcasing - someone who could be a future champion and has skills a purist can appreciate. Congrats to Rau'shee Warren. I believe he's listed as a Bantamweight, so I'm looking for him to step it up there, although this match was technically contested within the Super Bantamweight limit.

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FS1 Super Bantamweight Scrap Ends Without Satisfaction: Daniel Quevedo VS Raul Martinez

Airing on Fox Sports 1 this past Monday, tough Journeyman Daniel Quevedo gave two-time world title challenger (Flyweight & Super Flyweight) and former North American Super Flyweight Champion Raul Martinez fair work to rebound from his highly unlikely loss from earlier this year to then listed 5-8 Omar Gonzalez. Martinez was apparently looking for confidence and/or redemption and may have found very little of either with this limited outing. Quevedo began the night looking very physically imposing, stalking after Martinez in round one. In round two, Martinez started to stand his ground and oblige Quevedo. This was very scrappy and much of it in a phone booth which most likely lead to a cut on Quevedo's eye, via headbutt.

Martinez has been trying to improve under the tutelage of the very fine former 130-pound titlist Jesse James Leija, it is mentioned. In round three, while Martinez was consistently showing the natural athlete between the two, it was still a fight, through and through. For all Martinez's advantage in hand and foot speed and overall class, there was Quevedo, 13-13-3 record, finding him, competing evenly enough. That signifies a ring generalship problem for Martinez. When you know the advantages are there, but they're not preventing the other man from scoring competitively, the ring generalship is just not there.

In round four, Martinez shows he's heating up and even staggers Quevedo a bit at the end. For most of the round, Martinez and Quevedo looked like you'd think they should look together, with their records. It was perhaps during that time which Quevedo injured himself, because Quevedo retired with an injury between this round and the next and did not answer the bell for the fifth round. He did so believably, as he was game and wanting more throughout the match, never seeming particularly discouraged or impressed with his opponent.

It's gone down in the books as an unsatisfying TKO5 outcome for Raul Martinez, though the action itself was good and showed a good choice for FS1. To me, as rocky as the rounds were for him, Raul is still looking a very cool prospect, as opposed to hot, when looking for the next man to be made champion. It was Quevedo who fought well for the role he plays in boxing and Martinez who simply got the job done and while I have to give respect to both, I'd be very hesitant betting on Martinez in his next match. I do not think he's in a comfortable place right now. All the best to both, however, as they suit television just fine for me. They made a good match together.



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