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Thursday, May 31, 2018

Teofimo Lopez Junior Does Something Interesting With His Victory: GIF Spotlight



I confess, I don't know anything about Fortnite, and I had no idea what this young man was doing. I thought maybe it was a strange fit. I worried for his health. Teofimo Lopez Junior recently went from a strange, cuffing, abrupt knockout victory over Vitor Jones Freitas, to this "L" dance from a video game, followed by a far more studly gymnastic gesture. One of the funnier wins I've seen in boxing. I can't wait for his next win!




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Wednesday, February 7, 2018

Ricky "The Cosmetologist" Hatton: GIF Spotlight

In January of 2007, the light welterweight champion of the world, Ricky Hatton, defended his title against undefeated Juan Urango and had a rugged contest with the powerful Colombian southpaw. But it was HBO's commentator Larry Merchant who needed a little touch up in the post-fight interview. A moment before this happened, Merchant had his head swiped at by someone's flag being waved around, recklessly.



Faint heart never won fair Larry. Hatton took a risk there, and that's when Merchant truly fell under his spell.


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Saturday, February 3, 2018

Juan Manuel Marquez's Right Hand Forces Backward Diving Motion: GIF Spotlight

In July of 2011, after 2010's thrilling war against Michael Katsidis, Mexican luminary Juan Manuel Marquez tried a second time to go north of 135 pounds, only this time it wasn't against Floyd Mayweather Junior. This time it was against 2004 Olympian Likar Ramos. It was also a bit of a safety pick, on paper, before getting another crack at Manny Pacquiao, who was a strong favorite to beat Marquez. The result?



The Colombian Olympian was unceremoniously used, abused and destroyed in the first round. It was so abrupt that Ramos, obviously being a competent professional, was accused of taking a dive. Personally, I think a lot of people "take a dive" when someone knocks the utter bejabbers out of them. They just don't do it on purpose. It's amazing how unpurposeful an alleged dive can be when Juan Manuel Marquez is in the ring with you, and his right hand wants you to imitate Matthew McConaughey at the pool. Also, if it were a dive, he way oversold it. He was on that canvas for quite some time. It was a great shot. Marquez would, of course, go on to lose yet another controversial decision to Manny Pacquiao, then match him a fourth time and put him to sleep like he was Likar Ramos, with another big right hand. I don't know of anyone who accused Pacquiao of taking a dive, however.


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Friday, February 2, 2018

JCC Gives Us An FF: GIF Spotlight


One seriously journeyed journeyman named Silvio Walter Rojas, who Boxrec.com lists over one hundred bouts for, was given a shot, in more ways than one, by Julio Cesar Chavez, Senior in 1993. Chavez was coming off of a 140-pound title defense where he destroyed Greg Haugen and as he often did, he went into this kind of journeyman workout after a high class match, contested a little above the 140-pound limit. The result?



Daddy Julio gave us a nice face-firster for the highlight reels in the third round, while Rojas gave us a true fighter's fight, knowing a shield can be more comfortable in Mexico than anywhere else in the world. Chavez had four title fights in two weights this year.


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Monday, June 8, 2015

Marv Albert Talks Hugs & Psychological Warfare: Quote Spotlight



On the seventh of March, 2015, NBC aired the debut Premiere Boxing Champions card. The first match was Adrien Broner VS John Molina Junior. When John had just entered the ring, Marv Albert, commentator for the event, began to talk of a pre-fight discussion they'd had. 

Marv Albert, for PBC:

"John "The Gladiator" Molina. He told us yesterday that he ran into Adrien Broner at a press conference, in New York, recently. Molina said 'I gave him a hug!' but he made sure it was a *strong* hug. He said that was the psychological reasons, in effect, it was an *insincere* hug. He wanted Broner to *feel* him. He wanted Broner to know he was going to knock him out tonight, when they meet in the ring. A most unusual approach by John Molina."


The calculated hug, for the purposes of psychological warfare, is a dangerous risk for a competitor. If done improperly, it could certainly backfire. John Molina took the risk. He did not receive the reward. But that's why they call it 'gambling'. 


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Tuesday, June 2, 2015

Julio Cesar Chavez Rates Oscar De La Hoya: Quotes About Power



Through the interpreter, in interview with HBO's Larry Merchant, the seventh of July, 1996, right after he lost to Oscar De La Hoya, Julio Cesar Chavez Senior rated Oscar's punching power this way:
 

"But, really, that Oscar De La Hoya has a big punch - really doesn't. I didn't even feel his punches. I just couldn't see because of the blood."

This was at Light Welterweight, for Chavez's title.

After an unsatisfactory cut stoppage, the two rematched, this time for Oscar's Welterweight title, on the eighteenth of September, 1998. Through interpreter Ray Torres, and in interview with Larry Merchant again, Chavez was asked about Oscar's power again (glad Larry didn't forget):



Merchant: "You said after the first fight that he never was able to hurt you. Is he a good puncher or not?"
Chavez: "He's a hard puncher, but not a real knockout artist. As you can see, he never knocked me out."
Merchant: "We can-"
Chavez: "-He deserves my respect."


File under: Take it for what it's worth.

Ray Torres had an interesting night here too, getting yelled at by JCC after Larry Merchant asked him about quitting. In clear English, Chavez did mention some bodily function byproduct from a bull.


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Wednesday, May 13, 2015

Cletus Seldin's Blatant Elbow Under Referee Tony Chiarantano's Nose: GIF Spotlight




Kablam! Right on the ear? Referee Tony Chiarantano seems in good position to catch this blatant elbow strike of Cletus "Hebrew Hammer" Seldin on ESPN2'S Friday Night Fights. The victim was Johnny Garcia, and this is back in February. The ref also gets some other elbow action he isn't particularly on the ball for. ESPN's commentator Teddy Atlas was surprised about this too. Seldin, a strong, undefeated light welterweight prospect, is certainly not a newcomer to working a guy with his elbows but here we can see a blatant, loaded-up strike. That is, opposed to very common elbow activity people complain about, incidental to head control, space-making, jockeying for positions, or incidentally touching your man up while blocking and deflecting with your elbows (Seldin does use a cross-arm defense, so that is bound to happen also).

This is just flatly, gratuitously dirty and should've had a point deduction, I would think. I might be wrong, but I don't even think Seldin was warned here, as though it were missed completely. It's a nice catch from the FNF crew on slow motion, regardless. I seem to recall in Seldin's first match with Bayan Jargal, Seldin looked to me, in the first round, to use his opponent's clinching as an opportunity to try a few such elbow strikes with his free arm. Seldin's a solid fighter, but you've got to watch him closely. His head and elbows are all prone to strike. This guy is a rough customer, for whatever mix of the incidental, accidental and intentional we might be seeing. I chalk this one up as clearly intentional. But things happen in fights. I buy that many fighters will blatantly (yes, even blatantly) foul on nothing more than instinct, instead of with the thought to gain unfair advantage. Sometimes, your natural reaction in a combat sport is to do any physical thing that you would do without rules and it's done without any decision-making whatsoever. Seldin might be particularly predisposed to that. I couldn't say. But it is up to the referee to force them into forethought if a pattern emerges with things like this and I did find it very odd that nothing came of this particular elbow, seemingly in plain view and blatant. 



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Sunday, April 19, 2015

Damage Report, With Ruslan Provodnikov: Quote Spotlight


Last night, in a grueling, brutal, bloody affair, Lucas Matthysse used his superior diversity to win a war with Ruslan Provodnikov on HBO's terrific card, which included standout talent Terence Crawford coming up in weight to fight 140-pound prospect Thomas Dulorme. Provodnikov marched forward, all night, refusing to go out, refusing to go down, refusing to be pushed back. The price he paid for this war? According to Provodnikov, yet another instance of the same horrifying side effect he'd received for his troubles against fellow blood-and-guts warrior Timothy Bradley. He posted this, on his official Instagram account (if squeamish, please don't focus on the first picture and scroll down to the comments image):


 



Source/Image Credit: https://instagram.com/p/1pb6iBskNi/

Plain text of quote: "I want to say I'm sorry to all my fans! I lost tonight, and I felt like I could've won this fight. I almost had him, but the fight happened the way it happened. A lot of respect for Lucas, he was the better fighter tonight. One more fight in my career when I did my doping test I had black urine, the first one was against Tim Bradley..I hope everybody saw what they expected from this fight."

There you have it. If the gaping cut above his left eye weren't reminder enough of what these brave athletes give to the fights, this is the second time Provodnikov has confessed to having black urine after a boxing match. This is the reality of the physical tolls that the most determined fighters can not just receive, but endure to the end of the contest without giving up hope of victory. These are the unnerving symptoms of going through hell in the ring. Best wishes to both men and their health and congratulations to both on the amount of determination they put on display. It was a memorable night. Unfortunately, it's also a memorable picture of Ruslan's black urine sample. But from what I regularly read on the Internet forums, some fans need a reminder like this of the bravery and demands of being a boxer to fix their perspective. Respect and appreciation, my friends.



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Tuesday, March 17, 2015

You Can't Judge A Boxer By Looking At The Cover: Quote Spotlight, With Paulie Malignaggi



Last month, Paulie Malignaggi sat in as FS1 commentator for former opponent Pablo Cesar Cano's match with Juan Carlos Abreu (not to be confused with Abregu). During round three, fellow commentator Brian Custer takes a turn with Paulie over Cano's decidedly deceptive appearance. Paulie backs up the common sentiment that he is definitely a strong puncher. Malignaggi also touches on his observations of standard Mexican physiques and boxer physique in general with these statements:
  
". . .A lot of the Mexican fighters, you know, they don't come in muscular, but, at the same time, you know, they're still strong.

. . .You can't let the lack of muscular physique fool you. Because it doesn't necessarily mean punching power. It doesn't necessarily translate to punching power, or lack of it."


We've all seen the soft, and/or scrawny fighters come in and demonstrate shocking punching power, or surprisingly show they won't be pushed around by stockier men, and we've all seen those fighters who look like Mr. Universe contestants who don't seem capable of cracking an egg or particularly strong in a clinch or regularly getting pushed back by stick figure types. It seems there's always a reminder in just about any walk of life that you never have any idea what a person is by looking at them. I know there's a Cosby reference in here somewhere but probably best leave it alone.



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Friday, January 30, 2015

KeAndre Gibson VS Nelson Lara: What is war good for?



Let's catch up on the FS1 broadcast from Golden Boy from the 26th. The war was good for. . .some entertainment and paying some bills, I suppose. But I don't think it was that good for Gibson.

The setup: 

Gibson: KeAndre Gibson was talked up plenty as a hot prospect, commentators in attendance are Paulie Malignaggi and Brian Custer. Malignaggi and Custer mark Gibson as a former sparring partner of Mike Jones, Canelo Alvarez for his match with Floyd Mayweather Junior, Devon Alexander for his match with Amir Khan and for Malignaggi himself. So, the man's gotten a lot of good work in the gym. Paulie says he has very fast hands, is a solid boxer, is more of an outside fighter, so he'll be looking to keep the smaller Lara on the outside, basically. Brian Custer calls him a "prize prospect" and says former Olympic boxing coach Kenny Adams, who has had at least somewhat of a hand in training a lot of talented fighters, including Diego Corrales and Johnny Tapia, is now training Gibson. Custer quotes Adams as saying KeAndre is one of the best prospects he's ever. This is quite a compliment to live up to.

Gibson is an undefeated St. Louis prospect, fighting at 140-147, with massive shoulders and muscular physique. He looks like a man who could knock a house over, but he comes in with only 5 knockouts in 13 contests. You tend to think if a guy can punch all that hard his opening 10-15 fights will showcase that. With punching power, looks can often be deceiving. 

Lara: Nelson Lara is a gritty Nicaraguan journeyman who's been stopped by Fidel Maldonado Junior, Juan Ruiz, Alberto Mosquera and Ali Chebah. He comes in with a 15-6-4 record and he is set up for an assumed defeat on FS1. I don't say this to be dismissive because he's taken most of his losses to prospects like Gibson, but he's also taken defeats and draws to other journeymen as well. So, he isn't regarded as a gatekeeping type of journeyman. But he is gritty and there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking, all things considered.

The action:

As talked up as Gibson was, he elected to stand toe-to-toe with a Lara who seemed to decide very early and admirably that he would go out on his shield if he went out at all. And he didn't go out at all. He took a tremendous amount of punches and landed enough to show Gibson his tactics were somewhat baffling. While Gibson decisively took his decision, and while he performed for the crowd in a way we should appreciate, he helped Lara make a hard night's work for both of them.

I'd be concerned about Gibson's jab being underutilised. Paulie said KeAndre was an outside fighter, but this whole fight seemed to be directly dictated by him choosing a phone-booth affair. Gibson looked to do his best to force a stoppage in the final few rounds but at no time did he show the stopping power in his punches that he'd need to finish the determined Lara. KeAndre Gibson wide UD8 Nelson Lara. Gibson was cut slightly on his left eye, if I'm not mistaken. Lara was marked up and swelling under the right eye but nothing too dramatic looking. That's the damage report. FS1's punch count had them throwing a combined 1,367 punches over the 8 rounds. They put on a good show. Of course, Gibson threw less and landed more in most every exchange but to quote Paulie Malignaggi: "The score cards may not reflect the competitiveness of Lara in each round." It was a real fight, forgetting the assumed outcome.


What it means to me: 

For KeAndre Gibson: He is good entertainment and you can't knock him for that, but as a prospect, he's just not a hot one. Based on his performance with Lara, I find it hard to believe he would be able to match any of the top ten fighters at Light Welterweight or Welterweight in the near future. Not fighting like that. He's getting good work in the gym. He's getting rounds in as a pro, but he's not putting anyone on notice by doing this. I wouldn't mind seeing him back on television a bit. I enjoyed his fight. But, if I were a betting man, I'd not be betting on Gibson. I mean no offense. The ring generalship just isn't showing to me. If "The Sugar Kid" was a little sweeter to himself, I'd have more faith in his becoming a contender.

Paulie Malignaggi: "A guy like this has too much talent to be fighting as much as he does."

For Nelson Lara: He's a true fighter, and there's no shame in having an up-and-comer in with him. He takes his shots and makes the best of it. Every fighter needs some Nelson Laras in their way. He's a necessary type of fighter and commands some respect for his place in the sport.

For FS1: A very nice opening pick for the fans. Thumbs up on the result.




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Thursday, January 29, 2015

Those who can, up to a point, teach even better: Quote Spotlight



Former Super Featherweight and Light Welterweight Champion, Roger "Black Mamba" Mayweather, in a September 2013 interview with Hustle Boss' Chris Robinson, had the following exchange: 

Roger: "Discipline, obviously, is the most important part about boxing. Because, if you ain't disciplined, you ain't gonna get nowhere, no way. You've got to be disciplined."

Chris Robinson: "Were you disciplined, when you were a fighter?"

Roger: "To a certain degree."


Roger clarified the humourous and self-indicting sound of his reply by adding: "I wasn't like my nephew."

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Thursday, January 15, 2015

Terence Crawford's Weight, With Unofficial/Rehydration Weights List


        (pictured above is Terence Crawford weighing in for Raymundo Beltran for a Lightweight Division match, 2014)

For our resource regarding all rehydration weights in our file, please see this link:  
Fight Night Boxing Weights: A List Of Unofficial Weigh-in Weights After Rehydration




This page is here for your reference, comprised of all talk of Terence Crawford's weights in the ring that I find relevant, with as full a list as I can find of his unofficial/rehydration weights (and where they went unlisted), or what he likely weighed on fight night, going into the ring, as opposed to his listed official weigh-in weights, which are often misleading in a fighter's career. If you have a source to a missing weight you want to see up here, please link me to a source, so that I may verify it myself. Same for all corrections would be helpful. I will update this page as new information is found. Thanks to HBO for their focusing on this detail when they are able in their broadcasts. Please note, earlier fights before HBO that I've seen from other channels do not ordinarily do unofficial weights.

Highest unofficial/rehydration weight in our records: 153 lbs, for Lightweight match with Raymundo Beltran

Lowest unofficial/rehydration weight in our records: 149 lbs, for Lightweight match with Andrey Klimov

From latest to earliest:



2014:


November:



Terence Crawford VS Raymundo Beltran - Contested at Lightweight

Crawford: 153
Beltran: 147


June:


Terence Crawford VS Yuriorkis Gamboa - Contested at Lightweight

Crawford: 152
Gamboa: 145


2013:


October:


Terence Crawford VS Andrey Klimov - Contested at Lightweight


Crawford: 149
Klimov: 140


March:



Terence Crawford VS Breidis Prescott - Contested at Light Welterweight


Crawford: 150
Prescott: 157




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Sunday, January 11, 2015

The Camacho Headdress Boogie: GIF Spotlight



The incomparable Hector Camacho Senior loosely dances around the ring while his opponent, Vinny Pazienza, tensely waited to try and tear his head off. Zero bleeps were given that day by Hector as he merged disco and Native dances into one Macho extravaganza, February of 1990.



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Thursday, January 8, 2015

What Do Light Welterweights Rehydrate To? An Unofficial Weight Reference List



The following is a list compiled from our main page:

Fight Night Boxing Weights: A List Of Unofficial Weigh-in Weights After Rehydration

Please note: This particular reference list page is only for Light Welterweights fighting that we have on file. Where we have seen catch-weights implemented within the welterweight range, we have made note. This page is meant to answer the question only of what your standard Light Welterweight rehydration will look like for educational purposes, whether you are interested academically or for betting purposes, debate, whatever. I hope you find it helpful if you've recently done a search for it. If you like what we do here, please bookmark, share, link to us, comment, etc. If you have a correction on any typos or special, relevant information you feel we should make note of, any error or anything at all, please feel free to comment. What we get the most response to we will likely work the most to expand on. Thanks for your visit.


Light Welterweight Division, AKA Junior Welterweight, AKA Super Lightweight: 140 lbs


2015:


October: 


Viktor Postol VS Lucas Matthysse - Contested at Light Welterweight

Postol: Official: 139.5 - Unofficial: 148
Matthysse: Official: 139.5 - Unofficial: 151

Humberto Soto VS Antonio Orozco - Contested at Light Welterweight: I don't know what the specifics of this billed Light Welterweight/140-pound bout were but Soto weighed in right on the limit and Orozco weighed in within a pound. This was also slightly fuzzy as HBO's TOTT had Orozco weighing 140.5 and Boxrec had him listed at 140.75.

Soto: Official: 140 - Unofficial: 154
Orozco: Official: 140.5 - Unofficial: 154


March:

Adrien Broner VS John Molina - This bout was meant to be at a limit between the light welterweight maximum of 140 and a special +1 rule bleeding into the welterweight class, by contract. So, very technically speaking, Broner came in at welterweight, Molina at light welterweight, despite only a pound difference.

Broner: Official: 141 - Unofficial: 157
Molina: Official: 140 - Unofficial: 154
January:

Amir Imam VS Fidel Maldonado Junior

Imam: 152
Maldonado: 153

2014:

December:

Jose Benavidez Junior VS Mauricio Herrera - Contested at Light Welterweight

Herrera: 154
Benavidez: 150

August:

Jessie Vargas VS Anton Novikov - Contested at Light Welterweight

Vargas: 148
Novikov: 157

May:

Viktor Postol VS Selcuk Aydin - Contested at Light Welterweight limit (140)

Postol: 148
Aydin: 148

2013:

December:

Ricardo Alvarez VS Rod Salka - Contested at Light Welterweight, with Alvarez weighing a half pound over the limit

Alvarez: 155.5
Salka: 146.5

October:

Ruslan Provodnikov VS Mike Alvarado - Contested at Light Welterweight

Provodnikov: 148
Alvarado: 157

March:

Terence Crawford VS Breidis Prescott

Crawford: 150
Prescott: 157

January:

Lucas Matthysse VS Mike Dallas Junior - Contested at Light Welterweight

Matthysse: 163.5 ***Lucas implies this is Showtime error, ten pounds up, and he was really 153 pounds in interview with Tha Boxing Voice. This would be consistent with his other weigh-ins. He implied only a comfort in making weight.***

Dallas Junior: 151.5

2012:

October:

Brandon Rios VS Mike Alvarado - Contested at Light Welterweight

Rios: 149
Alvarado: 152

September:

Danny Garcia VS Amir Khan - Contested at Light Welterweight

Khan: 148
Garcia: 150


March:

Danny Garcia VS Erik Morales I - Scheduled for Light Welterweight, Danny Garcia makes weight at 139.5 and fights for a title there, while Morales weighs in at 142, vacating that same title. Effectively, it's contested as a Light Welterweight VS a Welterweight.

Garcia: 152
Morales: 155

2011:

September:

Erik Morales VS Pablo Cesar Cano - Contested at Light Welterweight

Morales: 150
Cano: 151

July:

Amir Khan VS Zab Judah - Contested at Light Welterweight

Khan: 151
Judah: 150

June:

Devon Aleander VS Lucas Matthysse - Contested at Light Welterweight

Alexander: 151
Matthysse: 153


January:

Timothy Bradley VS Devon Alexander - Contested at Light Welterweight

Bradley: 148
Alexander: 152




2010:

December:


Amir Khan VS Marcos Rene Maidana - Contested at Light Welterweight

Khan: 149
Maidana: 149

August: 

Devon Alexander VS Andriy Kotelnik - Contested at Light Welterweight

Alexander: 149
Kotelnik: 148

March:

March:

Marcos Rene Maidana VS Victor Cayo - Contested at Light Welterweight

Maidana: 149
Cayo: 150

2009:

August:

Paulie Malignaggi VS Juan Diaz - Contested at Light Welterweight

Malignaggi: 149
Diaz: 145

June:

Marcos Rene Maidana VS Victor Ortiz - Contested at Light Welterweight

Maidana: 149
Ortiz: 152


2008:

November:


Ricky Hatton VS Paulie Malignaggi - Contested at Light Welterweight

Hatton: 152
Malignaggi: 149

2007:

June:

Ricky Hatton VS Jose Luis Castillo - Contested at Light Welterweight

Hatton: 149
Castillo: 153


2005:

February:

Miguel Cotto VS DeMarcus Corley - Contested at Light Welterweight

Cotto: 157
Corley: 140

January:

Floyd Mayweather Junior VS Henry Bruseles - Contested at Light Welterweight

Mayweather: 142
Bruseles: 150

2004:

May:

Floyd Mayweather Junior VS DeMarcus Corley - Contested at Light Welterweight

Mayweather: 145
Corley: 144


1998:

November:


Kostya Tszyu VS Diosbelys Hurtado - Contested at Light Welterweight

Tszyu: 157
Hurtado: 156


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Source: Sources for all matches are during the fight broadcast's tale of the tape unless otherwise noted.

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Monday, January 5, 2015

Zab Judah Throws His Stool at Referee Jay Nady: GIF Spotlight








On the third of November, 2001, Zabdiel Judah and Kostya Tszyu fought a massive unification bout at Light Welterweight on Showtime. After a sharp first round by Judah, Tszyu found the button with his right hand and put Judah down hard. An inexperienced Judah stood up immediately, wobbled and stumbled back down. Referee Jay Nady called it there and Judah rushed to his feet again to convince Nady he was alright, unsteadily going backward as he did so, with Nady holding his gloves to keep him upright.

The rest of the broadcast focused on the immature future lineal welterweight champion and possible HOF'er throwing an enormous tantrum while his father, Yoel Judah, security guards and others, tried their best to calm him down and keep him from going after Nady, who had a security presence in front of him for a bit as well, as unconcerned as Nady seemed. Zab even put his gloved hand on the far larger Ref's throat and threw his stool at him. Maybe he didn't throw the stool at him, maybe he just threw it, period. With the condition Judah was in, I'm only glad when I say 'stool' that I mean the furniture you sit on. Because Zab was just that out of his mind on the night!




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Wednesday, July 16, 2014

The Great Exchange On "Foul Acting" - Quote Spotlight With George Foreman & Jim Lampley




During Miguel Cotto's TERRIFIC HBO war with Ricardo Torres, way back in his light welterweight days, the 24th of September, 2005, there was a great exchange. It was about the concept of faking a foul and/or over-exaggerating its effects. This concept is obviously one that generates plenty of discussion in many sports. The exchange occurred right after the unofficial HBO scorer, Harold Lederman, voiced his displeasure at what he perceived to be faked low blows landed on Ricardo Torres and is one of those priceless George Foreman sticking points as a commentator. Here it is:


Jim Lampley: And, I am told that our interpreter, Jerry Olaya, heard the people in Torres' corner, between rounds, telling their fighter "If he hits you low again, go down, and make an act out of it. Try to get a point deduction." Which makes sense, incidentally.

George Foreman: It only makes sense if you don't have a lot of dignity.



Jim Lampley after a few moments of calling the action between them: Yeah, you're right, George. I agree. It makes a certain competitive sense but not honourable sense.

George Foreman: Nah. This is all about honour, what it all boils down to. Win, lose or draw. . .Get some honour into it.



George Foreman always kept commentating interesting, in my opinion. You didn't have to agree with him, and Jim Lampley didn't have to get along particularly well with him, but he was always a character to behold.



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Saturday, June 14, 2014

Chris Algieri VS Ruslan Provodnikov: You will remember Algieri's name now





After the unsurprisingly disastrous first round Chris Algieri suffered, it became completely apparent that, as most boxing fans had feared, this was just too much of a step up, too soon. With no amateur background, and many fans not having remembered his name after his excellent showing against an unheralded opponent on ESPN just this year, Chris Algieri walked into the lion's den and began to get ripped apart by the lion, as the majority suspected he would. A viscious left hook to the eye put him down hard and he took a knee later in the round. A 10-7 deficit, a rapidly swelling eye and a sign that he knew he couldn't handle it.

Except, it was an illusion. He took the knee because he had the presence of mind to do so. He got his bearings. He got his rhythm. He weathered enormous shots from the relentless pressure fighting titlist, the "Siberian Rocky". He moved, he jabbed and popped Provodnikov's head back, he danced, he hung in there at the world class like a real contender. Did he win? By split decision. Did my jaw drop? Yep. I was actually surprised he got the nod on the cards. But the long tabulation at the end of the fight for the scores are rarely a good sign of anything at all. It's usually time for bickering about corruption, in my experience. Some might call this a hometown type of decision.

After my initial surprise and displeasure, I realised that I didn't really think it was a robbery. I came around quickly. It was just unexpected. There were so many rounds in this match that seemed to hinge on Algieri's scoring more and Provodnikov's scoring harder, with punches that simply always seemed to hurt more. The entire fight looked like no matter how well Algieri scored, he was getting broken down. Algieri had moments where he boxed beautifully from the outside, keeping the stubby Provodnikov from landing some frightening looking but wide left hooks that had everything he could use on them. He didn't acquit himself badly on the inside either. Provodnikov, as I see him, is always most potent from mid-range, despite many always labeling pressure fighters as inside fighters, and Algieri did his darnedest to keep him out of that mid-range. Algieri is no dummy. He can adjust.

The weirdness of this match is that you will rarely ever see a fight where almost all the most damaging blows and practically every sign of that damage goes one way, yet have it fairly be judged as thoroughly competitive. Now, I don't mean to suggest that Algieri only scored with shoe-shining punches and didn't land anything with authority. He landed plenty with authority, but I'd say no veteran eye would've worried much for Provodnikov's safety at any time and nearly any sane and compassionate person had to be worried about Algieri's, from the effect of the punches he took. How I could watch a match and see that the momentum rarely ever shifted in Algieri's favour but ended being as competitive as possible, I'd never have guessed.

Yet again, it was a close match that could've gone Provodnikov's way, that I scored his way, but that he lost. I did score, narrowly, both this match and the Herrera match for Provodnikov, but neither was a robbery, I don't believe. Just surprising. Congratulations to Chris Algieri for keeping a cool head under fire that I seriously doubt he's seen before and surviving as bad a first round as any guy in a winning effort is likely to suffer and just being beautifully talented at something to take a step up like this and have the late blooming career he's had. This puts him on the map and attaches a major world title to his name. He's in history now. And to Ruslan, the guy must have had surgery to remove his whining bone before we ever met him. He never complains about anything. He just basically says it's not a good style for him and whatever. He's the most secure, mature guy I may have ever seen, if the translator's gave it to me straight!


To sum up: HBO, don't let either of these fellows go anywhere. 





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Wednesday, May 14, 2014

Timothy Bradley Fights "Stupid" For Reason X: Unwarranted Criticism?




Dismissive Notions:

There is a notion. It has been floating around the world of boxing. I'm not sure how or when it started, but if I had the type of fire I thought would kill it, I'd be using it right now. Instead, I've got some web space to see if I can do even the slightest bit of damage to the notion I've seen in full bloom recently. It pertains to Timothy Bradley, one of America's best and least credited athletes, the way I see him. Tim Bradley is someone that I have been rating highly to others for years as an under-appreciated fighter. First as a top notch titlist among very many titlists, then as a top pound-for-pound talent among few contemporaries. There's a way some fans have of introducing backhanded compliments about some of the top names of our sport. A way of finding a little dig while thinly veiling their disapproval of the fighter or the perception of them being overrated. It's not usually crafty stuff and it's often unwarranted. Examples abound, for instance:

"Floyd Mayweather is a great talent. I just wish he wouldn't avoid the fights to prove it."
"Timothy Bradley has a lot of heart and good skills but he fights stupid."
"Manny Pacquiao is a great athlete. He's just not a technically skilled boxer."
"Andre Ward is a great boxer but he has an obligation to move up in weight and seek real challenges."
"Wladimir Klitschko is the best out there...of a really bad bunch..."


It goes on and on and on. Not one of those comments have I not heard spoken or seen typed. And many times at that, in one wording or another. Not one of those comments do I put any stock in either. At least not the backhanded parts. They're almost ironically oblivious in their dismissal of what it means to be one of the best athletes in a major international sport. Often the criticisms make virtually no sense to me and often they stand up to no critical thinking that I put to them. But I see one or two of these lines perhaps every day, as I regularly check in to read the feedback of boxing fans on all headlines great and small that I can find. I'm not exaggerating. There really isn't a day I don't see something like this that makes me roll my eyes, whether it's at Boxing Scene's forum or the comments section of Richard Dwyer's videos on YouTube (both Dwyer's YouTube Channel and Boxing Scene's site are regular and recommended stops for me).
 

My Notion & Motive:

I consider myself a fan of the sport over that of Timothy Bradley. I like a lot about him but I won't be defending Tim Bradley's boxing brain because I'm a fan of his, only as a fan of boxing. Listen, Tim Bradley has made millions of dollars from boxing and is a grown man. I'm not worried about random fans, commentators, and whoever else not giving him his dues because I'm worried about his feelings. I don't want anyone I like to feel badly, granted, but that is not my reason for this post. It's about the notion that I have that whether you like a fighter on a personal level or like to watch that fighter's fights, it's irrelevant in that the sport always benefits from understanding what a fighter does to get to the top ranks of the sport. That's an appreciation of the sport of boxing. That's a goal of true fans. Not fans of certain fighters, but of the whole sport over any one fighter. That's what I see in the true boxing fans, the desire to understand the sport on a deep level and appreciate the best that it has to offer of its participants.

Contrarily, missing the point of why a guy is successful, and thoroughly minimising what he does to get himself that success and how good he is- that is damaging to the sport. That's disrespectful to boxing and I feel it should be fought whether I'm a fan of the fighter suffering from the minimization or not. The types of backhanded compliments I listed can only oppose the understanding and appreciation of the sport itself-because these are among its top practitioners. So, my bottom line reason for giving my opinion on what I feel is growing unfair misconception of Tim Bradley isn't for Bradley's sake. It's from my own notion that the health of the sport is largely built on appreciation for rating a fighter's abilities, both mental and physical, as accurately as possible. I feel with Tim Bradley, there's been a selling of a storyline that essentially gives a backhanded compliment to his heart and athleticism while actually denigrating his intellect.
 








Addressing the case against Bradley's ring IQ:


Section 1/3: Pacquiao I


By the time Tim had unified major world titles twice at Light Welterweight, and decisively defeated three undefeated fighters in a row, in two weight classes, I was telling people that he was highly under-appreciated for being one of the best in the world. At this point, though I found performances like the Lamont Peterson fight to be aesthetically pleasing, he had some almost apologising for him after the Alexander fight. There were a lot of statements about "Well, he's not pretty but he's effective." or "He's not outstanding at any one thing, but he's so well-rounded..."

When we got Tim Bradley in the Pacquiao fight, I, like almost everyone who watched (a few respectable voices to the contrary existing though) had Pacquiao winning the match by at least a few points. I was so used to Bradley finding a way to win, was so used to people, in fact, talking up that he adjusted his style so that he would find a way to win, that I was surprised by certain adjustments I didn't see being made. I thought Bradley's big overhand rights would be converted to straighter punches, getting through the guard more often, be deflected less by Pacquiao's guard, working on a supposed weakness that had been exploited quite successfully by Juan Manuel Marquez. It didn't happen. Operating at the high levels of the sport, against one of its more unorthodox stars, a southpaw with blazing hand speed and every offensive angle being used, Bradley missed the mark more than I thought. Big deal.

He fought the far-and-away best fighter he'd met as a professional and didn't figure him out, but as offensively gifted as that fighter was, Bradley still nullified plenty of his shots as well. He still found a way to turn it on when his senior star was taking his foot off the gas, even while hurt, he didn't just survive. And he managed to be one of only two fighters that have fought Pacquiao in years and years that didn't manage to either be badly beaten down while trying to be competitive or soundly outworked throughout while trying to survive, in a defensive prison. How many times did Manny Pacquiao make a man look like he'd been thrown down a mountainside and trampled by wild horses or, to prevent that punishment, shell up or run away?

So, this is the first piece of evidence against Tim Bradley's ring IQ? Because this is when I noticed the talk of Bradley adjusting and adapting turning the opposite, even under highly difficult circumstances. If this is the only evidence, it's not just weak, but pathetic. We can all see on tape where Bradley likely injured himself. I certainly have no reason to doubt injury, but he didn't get stuck in a defensive shell, and he didn't get a disfigured face and he did win rounds. How is performing better against Manny Pacquiao than everyone but Juan Manuel Marquez in so many years and so many weight classes any kind of a case against Tim Bradley's ring IQ? It's not. Plain and simple.

However, enter Ruslan Provodnikov. A fighter many labeled "ESPN Level" and meant in an unfairly derogatory fashion. A fighter who most thought Tim Bradley would soundly outbox. This is where opinion comes in harder with speculation, and this is where the Bradley "stupid fighting" theory really heated up and I really start to question how I'm seeing it so differently than what most seem to see. Before Provodnikov, Bradley was just being rated highly enough to develop some animosity and those trying to sell the idea that Bradley was not a top shelf fighting man. Some because they didn't like Pacquiao and wanted to downplay what's been known as an unofficial victory over Bradley to the majority. Some because they loved Pacquiao and held Bradley's official victory against him. But still, here it's just started making me take notice in a big way.


Section 2/3: Why did this Siberian Rocky have Bradley in a war?

My questions regarding how this match played out:

A. Did Provodnikov improve so much from where he was regarded leading up to the Bradley fight that he became a top shelf 140-147 fighter capable of doing so much damage to an elite fighter like Tim Bradley? 

B. Did Bradley get concussed early and somehow manage to wage a FOTY candidate while concussed (most of that time?) against a powerful brawler?

C. Did Bradley match up poorly with Provodnikov's style, rather than suffer from a lack of discipline in applying a game plan where he really could have "easily" out-boxed him, and never been damaged? In other words, was "fighting stupid" a credible accusation and explanation for this unexpected war?

D. Did Bradley abandon something similar to what he later did with Marquez, something that he would also be capable of doing with Provodnikov in order to "prove himself" as a fan-friendly warrior out of insecurity he felt during the Pacquiao backlash, as well as some grumbling about the entertainment value of a few of his other previous fights?



A: I say, it was a little bit of A, that Provodnikov had improved his fighting style under Roach and probably gained valuable experience against Herrera (who I thought he beat), and that the Alvarado fight should at least help strengthen that position that he either improved that significantly, or perhaps he was just better than assumed from the beginning and we hadn't appreciated his level of dangerousness in this era.

B: I say with admittedly little medical knowledge that, as a layperson, I must seriously consider B that Tim Bradley really did fight while concussed in a way that should earn the respect of all boxing fans, for the rest of his life. And, I think if the exact same action took place and there were no concussion, you could say the same, that he still earned lifelong respect for the fight. But, in assuming early concussion, I don't think there was brawling for the sake of pride or entertainment but fighting on instinct while very seriously injured and probably unable to think as clearly as he ordinarily would.

C: I say that C is a genuine question mark. There are many fighters, even truly great ones likes Evander Holyfield that get accused of fighting "down" to their lesser opponents during their career. I'm not sure I'd call Tim Bradley a truly great (historically speaking) fighter, nor am I sure even if Provodnikov's level is really "down" from where Bradley is, regardless of a large difference in accomplishments. It's up in the air to me and I've underestimated this Siberian fellow before. I do suggest that Provodnikov's pressure-fighting style may be the key to the trouble Bradley suffered. I wouldn't call Pacquiao a conventional pressure fighter, if any kind, and Marquez certainly isn't. Peterson flips on and off but he's never shown pressure fighting ability on a Provodnikov level to me, and so on. I do wonder if Bradley, for all the intelligence I attribute to him, would not always have trouble with a Provodnikov, who isn't really much like anyone else Tim has faced. I don't believe we have another frame of reference that would be telling in Bradley's career.

D: I say that D, even if Bradley and camp have supported the idea, I can't say I saw it like this the five or six times that I watched this modern classic. I've seen fighters resort to this idea that they made fights harder on themselves than they had to so many times and there are some times when I can buy it. But probably more times I think they were forced into fights that didn't suit them by their opponent, not their own ego. I think this is one of those times. I think Tim Bradley fought Ruslan Provodnikov, not the same way through the fight, but constantly changing to suit the moment. So, firstly, I didn't see one constant brawl-fest. When he was too hurt to stay mobile (or maybe even know where he was) he fought on instinct. When he had nowhere to go or no wherewithal to leave, he stood his ground. That's what I saw.

But I also saw that when he could he did pop his jab and move in a way that favoured him against a stronger man, and did so in several rounds. When he was forced by Provodnikov to stand his ground, he just did. He fought out of those moments like a true warrior does and he took advantage of being able to fight on the outside when he could like a smart boxer does in that situation. I don't buy that he put himself in an awful position because he was trying to prove something. Even on the inside, when Bradley initiated, as opposed to reacted, it's not as if Bradley has made a career of outside fighting and gave that up. He's gotten inside on and mauled the hell out of several fighters. He's a short fighter who knows how to play inside quite well. Bradley fights just fine at all ranges. It's partly why I rate him so highly.

Let's not act like he abandoned something he does exclusively at any time in this match. He's an adaptive fighter, always changing his style up. Granted, if it wasn't erased from his mind by Ruslan's fists, only he knows his motives. Regardless, I don't see that he did anything reflecting poorly on his intelligence or discipline in this fight. Even if his trainer thought so or he later felt like it. I think it's probably Provodnikov's credit being falsified as Bradley's fault. I think, totally to the contrary of "fighting down to Ruslan", or "fighting stupid" that he handled severe adversity brilliantly, and in a way most simply can't. I think if he did fight a stupid fight with a concussion against Ruslan Provodnikov, no matter how much heart he has, he'd have been laid out. But he wasn't.

The mistakes that his trainer thought he made, or maybe he thought he made or countless fans thought he made, are actually an illusion, the way I see it. It might be easier to say "I made the fight harder than I had to." but I think that actually makes Bradley sound less intelligent than he is. It may seem counter-intuitive, but that's what I think the case is, very often, the many times I've heard fighters go to this old chestnut. They actually downplay their own decision-making and often the opponents too, while in hopes of distancing themselves from the supposed level of their opponent. "Please, don't think he's on my level. I just made it harder than I had to."  So, this is another piece of the case against Bradley's ring IQ and for his claimed sojourns into the fan-pleasing art of "stupid" fighting for reason X.


Section 3/3: The rematch - the most recent case for Bradley fighting "stupid" for reason X:


While I was frustrated with the decision in the initial bout, I'm still frustrated even if I agree with Pacquiao's recent victory. Why? Because I see now we've gone to a new, higher level of selling this stupid fighting angle. Throwing a random haymaker that fell well short here and there did happen. I won't say it didn't. But I've been seeing statements all over from some of boxing's most prominent voices like Jim Lampley about a Bradley who pinned his hopes on a kayo punch, made baffling strategic errors, did everything blatantly wrong, and in a few instances, all the way to Kevin Iole quoted saying "I thought he fought a stupid fight.".

I know Bradley talked up a knockout before the fight (God, who hasn't done that?) but again, maybe I'm the oblivious one. I don't see it. I see that as just talk that I've heard many times but in the actual fight I didn't see stupid fighting. No, I really didn't see this big problem that they tried to play up of Bradley swinging for the fences wildly for half the fight as though he wanted each punch to be a knockout. I didn't see this tactical decision hampering him that HBO and a lot of you saw. I saw him scoring more power shots to the head than he came remotely close to in the first fight, actually. I saw rounds that were closer. I saw a better fight even though I thought Pacquiao was more "on" in this bout than the first. To me, Bradley, once again probably had a perfectly real physical issue that hampered him a bit, and once again made the best of it and once again gets slated for doing well, this time even better. And, once again, I see a fake narrative being sold about it. 

Summary:

I think Bradley did what he could with Provodnikov after getting concussed against an ever-improving pressure fighter and he did what he could (and a hell of a job at it) against both Pac and Provo, while having a genuine injury in all three combined fights. Real things that give context are not excuses. We all saw when injury occurred in the first Pacquiao fight.  I don't really have any serious doubt that he was hampered in the second fight by a different one either. I heard him say it to his corner clearly. Nothing suspicious about it, not some afterthought he threw in later to excuse doing something wrong. He didn't do wrong. He threw a few wild punches, as Pacquiao has certainly done. But overall, I would say Bradley makes pretty rational decisions and is a very smart fighter. He is constantly trying to adapt to circumstances like injury and I don't see that he's ever failed at doing very well to make those adaptations as well as you can expect. So, that's my take on The Desert Storm and the way he's viewed these days.


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Friday, February 14, 2014

Chris Algieri VS Emmanuel Taylor - Algieri Proves Ready For A Bigger Name




Emmanuel Taylor in the opening rounds just could not find the next gear to keep up with Chris Algieri. I couldn't help but think of Micky Ward for all the left hook head/left hook body combinations from Algieri. Algieri stayed on the move and firing combinations all night long. By round three Teddy Atlas asks how you could not have Algieri up three rounds to nothing because Taylor hasn't "left the dressing room" yet. In round five, Taylor starts to heat up and Algieri doesn't let him take over but Taylor starts to come back on some cards (not mine) when he gets going. But Algieri's got some finesse to him at this level, that's for sure. He was too skilled for Taylor, as I saw the fight. There was nothing Taylor was going to do to get him.

One of the best heavyweight contenders of the 1980's, Gerry Cooney is in the audence tonight, it's announced in the sixth round. Cooney does an interview praising the new hometown (Huntington, NY, USA) fighter and Gerry looks and sounds healthy and happy. It's good to see. Taylor started to find more success pressuring Algieri in the second half of the fight but mostly couldn't pin him down and land more than one flush shot at a time. Algieri is borderline showboating with his movement by round seven. I think he's saying to Taylor "I'm the athlete here." the best way he knows. Taylor's letting them go but very few are finding the mark. It looks like you've got to set up some traps to wage war with Algieri and Taylor doesn't have them in his bag of tricks.

Algieri was still in control through the later rounds. Not for lack of trying by Taylor. Once he heated up he gave it a very good go. Taylor started out red hot in the final round and tried to lay it out on the line early in the round. Algieri took some good shots but didn't let the action get away too far. He finished strong enough with some of his own bombs. The fight ends with a good round from both men but it was Algieri's night, no doubt. Teddy says it's "Not a great fight but an interesting fight." and I agree. I enjoyed it. It didn't have very stiff competition on this card but it was a good main event to save the night. Both guys finished very strong and I really appreciate that.

I don't know how Algieri looks with a guy that can meet him step for step but I didn't think this one was too close. I definitely want to see this Chris Algieri again. I would be very intrigued to have him in against someone like Breidis Prescott at this juncture. Taylor will have to go back to the drawing board a bit here but I certainly wouldn't scoff at another ESPN card with him in it either. Algieri's now got Taylor, Arnaoutis and Jargal on his undefeated record. I think it's time we see him in with a bigger name after he's passed these solid tests.

Teddy Atlas' unofficial scorecard:
Total score: 97-93, for Algieri

Algieri Rounds: 1-3 & 7-10
Taylor Rounds: 4, 5 & 6



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Saturday, December 14, 2013

Josesito Lopez VS Mike Arnaoutis: Mighty Mike Relatively Mighty in Defeat, Yet Again


Yet again, Mike Arnaoutis proves he isn't a shot fighter. Yet again, he's done his underrepresented Greece and himself proud, yet again with a fine account of himself in still another loss. Mike falls to 24-10-2, in one of the most deceptive records among active fighters. He dropped Lopez not only in a surprise knockdown but on a jab, and declares he'd like a rematch afterward. It's a technical decision defeat after a serious cut is opened on a headbutt. Lopez barely scrapes by on points. I think the score could have fairly gone either way. The fight itself was technically interesting, as Arnaoutis showed how decepetive his record is, and how genuinely solid an operator he can be.

His footwork had Lopez overextending himself and off balance for a large portion of the fight, unable to do what he does best. He had massive trouble setting his feet and pinning Mike down. But it looked like Lopez had finally adjusted his game and begun to get momentum on his side when the fight ended. Lopez has luck on his side through a surprisingly tough night and improves his record to 31-6-0. These men are both seemingly sitting in fringe contender territory and unwilling to quit. Mike being the supposedly done (well done) underdog makes him the star of the card, in my book.


Fight notes:

*Aired on FS1 (with commentators Mario Solis and Rich Marotta)
*Lopez claims to be working through injury troubles to his arm and knuckles (?)
*Arnaoutis says he would like a rematch



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